CSA 2010 disassemble it 1 inspection at a time

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by revelation1911, Mar 5, 2012.

your personal prefrence for csa 2010

Poll closed Mar 25, 2012.
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    I don't care I'm a company driver

    11.1%
  2. I bend over full everytime they stop me

    8.3%
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    I try and avoid them

    19.4%
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    I would like to fight them but it seems useless

    19.4%
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    draw and quater ray lahood and scatter ashes to the wind

    50.0%
  1. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Yup, I found out the insurance company that your company uses can also pull up a copy of your PSP report. So the insurance company can also leverage your company to give you your walking papers. I too, just signed off on this issue this weekend.
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Depends. You can not receive points. Your business can.
    Yes.
    A warning is a legal event.
    DATQ's, There is no arbitration.Just a examination of the event, Not necessarily, No, And I have no idea because it is an incomplete question.

    Again DATQ's.

    Now that I have done you the courtesy of answering your questions care to hazard a response to how CSA robs you of Life, Liberty, or Property?
     
  4. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    You do have your head in the sand on this don't you?

    This information is not only put against the company, it is put against YOU as well.

    Pull a PSP on yourself. That information is contained there as well.

    Your employer has this information at his fingertips and you as the one being reported on have to pay for it.

    You have little recourse I am finding to fight those points placed against you.

    Get enough points, insurance and your employer will let you have your walking papers.

    You have now been deprived of the ability to earn a living.

    WITHOUT due process.
     
  5. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    That is your company making the decision. CSA is a record. What people make of it is their business decision.
     
  6. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Wrong, points are also issued to the driver... They will not follow you but a your new company can see them.
    Wrong, a warning is issued with no legal obligation and or arbitration process to contest the claim, nor is there a fine. A warning could even be verbal with NO documentation... just an inspection report.

    NO arbitration? How on earth is the event examined? Whom does the examining?

    I never said it could. I said it could effect your future employabilty with other companies likely by their insurance carriers.
     
  7. oilfieldtrash

    oilfieldtrash Light Load Member

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    You don't even need a psp. All you have to is look at each inspection and add.
     
  8. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Yeah, tell that to the insurance company. :roll:
     
  9. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    I have nothing to fear from an examination of my inspection history.

    But your larger point is invalid. CSA did not arbitrarily rate you. The carrier gains nothing by terminating you.

    But even if they could and did it would be the same as they are not giving you due process for terminating you over service failures.


    The government must observe due process. Your employer is under no such constraint, nor is their insurance provider.
     
  10. driverdriver

    driverdriver Road Train Member

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    wrong your csa points say with you just like a dmv report and fall off in the same manner
     
  11. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    No. Your inspection history is available if you agree to release it. There are no points in the report. People have made up some kind of rating but it is not provided or generated by CSA.

    A warning is just that. It warns you of a violation of the FMCSR's. If there is no documentation it will not appear in your carriers SMS. If it is noted in an inspection report, you can adress it then with the officer, and or his supervisor, or later with DATAQ's

    Asked and answered.

    But I will give you an example.

    I was stopped roadside in Indiana and given a level 2 inspection.

    The Officer found nothing and noted the reason for my stop was following to closely.

    At the time I explained that the Carrier in front of me had moved into my lane just prior to crossing under the overpass and I was in the process of letting him roll away from me by shutting of my cruise. And further that I did not engage my brakes due to the volume of traffic around us.
    The Officer informed me no matter how fancily(his word) I explained it I was way to close to the Carrier.

    I accepted the copy of my inspection and initiated a critical event save of my forward camera. Called Kelvin(Safety Manager) and gave my version of the story.

    He sent a DATAQ request(I am not sure of that terminology) of the report, explained that we had digital recordings of the time in and around the report, and data records of my vorad system to verify my claims.
    kelvin called me three weeks later to inform me the inspection had been corrected and now showed as "clean".

    So yes DATAQ's can work.


    No what you said was:

    It does none of those. The only "penalty" arising from CSA is an audit. Long short, sideways that is the absolute worse thing that can happen from CSA. A carrier can rise(fall?) into a percentile ranking triggering a more in depth look into their operation.


    Now outside sources can use whatever information they can obtain to make business decisions. However CSA is not in control of nor responsible for them.
     
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