CSA 2010 disassemble it 1 inspection at a time

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by revelation1911, Mar 5, 2012.

your personal prefrence for csa 2010

Poll closed Mar 25, 2012.
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    I don't care I'm a company driver

    11.1%
  2. I bend over full everytime they stop me

    8.3%
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    I try and avoid them

    19.4%
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    I would like to fight them but it seems useless

    19.4%
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    draw and quater ray lahood and scatter ashes to the wind

    50.0%
  1. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    CSA assigns no points to a driver. A driver can be noted for red flag violations and be highlighted in an intervention.

    But yes your PSP shows three years of inspection history, though none of your "points" ever leave your MVR. You are only allowed so many in any given time frame but your lifetime MVR will show all of your violations.
     
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  3. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    It is being used to impart a punitive action against a person.

    It doesn't matter WHO does it.

    You have been denied a due process and it has cost you the ability to lead a productive life.

    It is being in the same way as a criminal record.
     
  4. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    The point IS that the gov't is not observing due process of the law by issuing CSA points in the first place. Moreover, the gov't is allowing this compiled data to be in the access of non official sources (Companies and Insurance carriers).

    But, you will not have to worry, your perfect correct? You would never miss anything would you? In this case I would suggect you do this, next time you roll by a scalehouse... pull in and challenge the DOT's in there to find something wrong with your truck... State your perfect record, and be sure to use the same self-righteous tone you use to post on this forum.

    Come on, put your money where your mouth is... or in this case your perfect record.... better yet, be sure you do this in Wisconsin.
     
  5. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    So if someone has a history of improperly doing their job on a consistent basis employers should not be able to use that information in determining whom to hire or terminate?

    Companies have policies for termination for receiving citations. Companies can pull your credit reports in determining your employment eligibility. Companies can terminate you for violating company policy. And they can terminate you for failing to follow FMCSR's.

    None of those are any violation of your rights, and neither is a record of your inspections.

    Hell a company can choose to terminate you because you use a set of brakes a year so they figure your driving poorly. They can terminate you because of to many complaints filed against you. They can terminate you because customers complain about you. They can terminate you for a consistent history of dropping trailers in need of repair.
     
  6. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    CSA2010 ​
    is an initiative that introduces MAJOR changes in the way motor

    carriers and drivers will be required to deal with safety issues.

    Under CSA2010, ALL companies will be assigned a safety rating score. Drivers will now be held responsible for their own personal safety profile. Your driver safety profile will stay with you regardless of the company you drive for or contract with. Your safety profile will be a key part of how you will be evaluated by your company and the company’s insurance carrier. Trucking companies will also utilize your safety profile as a determining factor in their hiring decisions.

    This was taken from the CSA 2010 site. Drivers ARE given points for their safety rating.... points are also issued for warnings with inspections. Which CANNOT be arbitrated or legally contested.

    What don't you get?

    Either your a complete idiot, or your arguing for the sake of argument. :biggrin_25522:
     
  7. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    No, not when there is no due process to validate the claim... period

    You do have a 'right' to due process of the law!
     
  8. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

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    arguing with a trucker is like chasing a pig in the mud...

    Eventually you realize they both enjoy it.
     
  9. driverdriver

    driverdriver Road Train Member

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    the points do fall off
     
  10. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    See your lying again.

    They are issuing no points. No,no they are not.

    They are assigning point values to be used in generating a carrier rating. That carrier rating is used in determining who is expedited in a compliance review or intervention.However they are not issuing you anything.


    Further you must give permission for them to view the information pertaining to your inspection history. If you feel it shows you in a poor light do not agree to the release.




    I am curious what you feel the child like tantrum of a dare is supposed to accomplish.
     
  11. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    http://www.psp.fmcsa.dot.gov/Pages/FAQ.aspx


    What is the Pre-Employment Screening Program?

    The Pre-Employment Screening Program (PSP) is a screening tool that allows motor carriers and individual drivers to purchase driving records from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration’s (FMCSA) Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS). Records are available for 24 hours a day via Web request.
    What information does the Driver Information Resource record (DIR) contain?

    Driver Information Resource records purchased through PSP contain the most recent 5 years of crash data and 3 years of roadside inspection data from the FMCSA MCMIS system.
    Is information from traffic tickets going to be posted prior to the court date or will the information only be posted if there is a conviction?

    No. The PSP only contains MCMIS information.
    Why did FMCSA develop the PSP?

    Developing a system to make safety performance information electronically available for pre-employment screening purposes was mandated by Congress in the Safe, Accountable, Flexible, Efficient Transportation Equity Act: A Legacy for Users, Title 49 U.S. Code, section 31150 Public Law 109-59 Section 4117. FMCSA believes that making this driver data available to potential employers and operator-applicants will improve the quality of safety data and help employers make more informed decisions when hiring commercial drivers. The PSP provides more rapid access to commercial driver safety performance information than was previously available under Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) or Privacy Act requests.










    They do not have a point/rating system for drivers. The PSP shows your record that's it.




    In your own copy it clearly states that carriers will have a score, and drivers will have a record. Those are two different things by the way.




    And you may, and i would suggest, going to the operating site for CSA




    http://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/FAQs.aspx




    It is not CSA2010, and several changes have been made to the program since the site you are quoting was active. One should at least be using the correct sources for their information wouldn't you agree.
     
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