CSA 2010 disassemble it 1 inspection at a time

Then an audit is done in a court of law? The informantion is not outdated and I don't fear it. I just choose not to blindly believe everything the FMCSA tells me, because the facts don't add up. I'm not that naive.

Fact, they are compiling the information.
Fact, they are issuing points to individual drivers.
Fact, the can do what they want with the data.
Fact, currently there is no due process to validate/challenge the data.

 

Tazz, we had the safety director of a locally based regional carrier (~100 power units) come to speak to our CDL class about CSA. He showed us actual reports with individual drivers' names, along with their inspection violation records AND THEIR POINTS. And guess what? They actually FIRED drivers because of the POINTS they received from repeated violations. Granted, they only took action against repeated violations that were under the direct control of the driver (ex. multiple seat belt violations), but drivers do receive points, they do receive a percentile rank, and they do have employment actions levied as a result of those points.

The difference between carrier points and driver points is that carrier points drop off after 2 years, and driver points drop off after 3 years.

You are correct that the points don't show up on your MVR, but they DO show up on your CSA report.

Your employer can view your report at any time, as long as you are employed by that carrier.

 

Hmmmmm if they were not keeping track of drivers CSA points then why would a couple of trucking job postings ask that drivers have clean CSA points... Seems the companies know ....CSMS is for Carriers...and DSMS is for drivers...Thats how the CSA is broke down... The scores are currently only available to Law Enforcement...
I use RoadsideResume.com to see if anything is on there... you might want to check it out for yourself...

 

Tazz the Carrier and the Driver get ratings... The CSA breaks it down into two catagories.... Csms for Carriers and Dsms for drivers...

 

Contentious topic.
No one who has posted on this topic is stupid.
Most everyone is partially right and partially wrong.

See if this helps.

Newsletter Article, DSMS & the PSP

The attached document is the certification that must be signed when requesting a PSP record.

 

Again, this is what the FMCSA is saying... but I don't buy it. The individual driver points are being issued and who knows what the plan is for the data??? Insurance companies anyone? Who knows? Will insurance companies lobby for releasing of the data under freedom of informantion act? What is the cut off date for that? Three years?

It all smells way too fishy to me.

 

Ok All knowing ones. Please show me how to requeat your DSMS from either the FMCSA or their appointed Portal (As in the people issuing PSP's).


Now for the rest of this silly notion of lacking due process. You have it. A PSP or a SMS (if your a carrier) can not deprive you of anything. Nope it can not. Not one thing. Now a bad SMS can get you an audit, and a bad PSP can tell a carrier you fail in your job that much is true.


Shred the website for accurate information is
http://csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/

I truly hope your not nutty enough to believe some outside POS sales pitch site actually contains more accurate information than the administration responsible for the program.


Revelations. The time it takes an inspection to appear and the time it takes a ticket to appear are fairly equal. You have a method for appealing both. And no one worth a dang is gonna fail enough inspections to lose anything. I have no issues with the compiling of data as to whom has repeated violations, just like repeated speeding, dui, lack of insurance........

Keep your truck and company in order and compliant with all regulations pertaining to this industry and you'll never even know the programs exists. The people LandStar relieved deserved it.



Windsmith the FMCSA expressly warned that all those services providing reports on a drivers" Poings" were niether official or acknowledged by any part of CSA. I'm on my phone so I'll find the warning notice put out in 2009 later. The fact is removing a driver from your company does not remove points. However removing drivers consistently failing imspections is probably a good business decision over all. A new company does not gain those drivers inspection history, however hiring someone consistently being placed OOS for HOS violations again probably pretty good business decision huh?



No one is losing their job for some light that went out one time right as you entered the scale(Why does it always happen right then in those stories?). No one is being audited for once again that #### leaking glad hand that came apart just as the officer started his inspection.

As I told the Thumper up there do your job your fine. Don't and the system designed to highlight problem drivers and carriers will do it's job.