CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    The truth is that the trucking companies have gotten away with murder regarding DOT regulations by hanging the driver or drivers. To show there in compliance they punish the driver that they push into violation. By the time DOT actually shuts down a company for non-compliance they have gotten away with murder.

    It is tough as a driver to refuse to move because of HOS issues and generally there are going to be repercussions for your actions. And fall for there a dispatcher they do not under stand HOS, Who cares if they do or not they need to be held liable for dispatching a driver that does not have hours or is not rested enough to drive. I park my truck if I'm tired and if the load is late too bad, it better late than never. I will notify them that I'm not going to be late, via phone and I record all conversation between me and the company and they know it. I have played it back to them. I would rather suffer through the temper tantrum than be dead in the ditch. Beside as long as I protect my safety record I can work anywhere I choose. As far as logging I do not move my truck unless I can show me legally doing so, including matching the BOL times with log entry's. Next time you have an issue take it to the owner or CEO and see if they will except responsibility for you moving that truck when your out of hours...
     
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  3. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Based on drivers' comments here and the continous flow of complaints and A & B carriers job security is not a concern.

    Be safe.
     
  4. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Carriers blaming the driver has no merits when they receive a compliance review. The carrier is expected to manage their operation and ensure the drivers comply. Carriers that fail to control their drivers are penalized.

    Be safe.
     
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  5. Cowpie1

    Cowpie1 Road Train Member

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    I would still fault the driver. No one grabbed them by their left testicle and made them drive for a renegade carrier. I have only had two occasions in almost 30 years where it was expected I run a load in violation of HOS or unsafe equipment. I just shut it down and let them do it themselves and I went elsewhere. Those were back in the early 90's. Fortunately, I had decent carriers that make a realistic attempt to be complaint and will not penalize a driver for needing to change the p/u or delvery schedule. It is a pain for them just as much as the driver, but they recognize that if something went wrong, the legal hassles would be more to deal with than the hassle of a missed appt. They will not tolerate goof offs, but being compliant is honored. CSA 2010 will not be comfortable, but I am not wasting time worrying about it. Can't do a thing about it, so am not wasting any time on it. This same belly aching about CSA2010 is the same belly aching I heard back in '92 when the CDL kicked in.
     
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  6. kajidono

    kajidono Road Train Member

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    By the way, your previous comment applied to roughly 90% of all small businesses. This one, well, as nearly all comments are related to job security, which you are obsessed with destroying, you are wrong again.

    Also, your statements keep conflicting. You brag about being able to tell when logs have been averaged and laugh about ticketing the driver anyway. Then claim that without conclusive proof you can't do anything to a company. One of these is a lie.
     
  7. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    I don't recall ticketing or claiming to ticket drivers for log violations. As mentioned several times, I haven't written a ticket since 1999. I may have cited a carrier that had logs in their possession that indicated the driver was speeding. I cannot prove the log was false; however, I can prove the driver logged 68 mph in a 65 mph state.

    Be safe.
     
  8. thecoxster

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    With all the new regs and endless rules. I feel as if I'm trying to hump 100 miles with full heavy combat gear 10 cigarettes in my mouth,land mines within an inch of every step,and the skin on my feet is gone. There is only one way to win this battle. I'm not sure Americans are willing to spill the red liquid of his own countrymen!
     
  9. TankerYankr

    TankerYankr Medium Load Member

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    I find very unsettling that with the upcoming CSA 2010 that the drivers records and thus their risk assesment will be taken from the prior 36 months, while the carriers (read "companies") will only be taken from the prior 24 months.
     
  10. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    I agree! But worse than that even, is for some drivers, something they did 2-3 YEARS AGO can end their career! If we would have been told 3 years ago of this potential, I bet there would have been alot of drivers cleaning up their act back then.
    It seems unfair and (IMHO) unconstitutional to apply more penalties for previous offenses. Look up RETROACTIVE LAW and you will see what I mean.
    i think we should start out with a clean slate, regardless of past offenses! If you give it some thought, the rookie with no experience may fare better in the job market than an 3 year or more experienced driver because of this system. Maybe I should change my name or steal someone's identity to get a clean record!
     
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  11. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I have done nothing in the last 36 months that will have an effect on me in 2010.
     
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