CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    Thiss is exactly the kind of chickens hit I'm talking about! This driver can lose his eligibility to drive a CMV and make a living b/c of some over-zealous bureaucrat, who obviously has zero concern for safety, but instead is trying to generate money for their branch of gov't by writing a citation for something as stupid as 2 rivets instead of 3! Come on! This is just too much! I understand the need to do things by the book, but give me a break! If you get enough of these stupid little citations, that makes you an "UNFIT" driver???
     
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  3. GuysLady

    GuysLady Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Here's my dumb question... this thing actually lists "failure to maintain reasonable temperature" as a violation that is the driver's responsibility.... how, pray tell, are we to do that when we are not allowed to idle?
     
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  4. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    The reference is to Part 374.313(a) which is applicable to passenger buses, not trucks. The citation is on page 48 of 97.

    FYI, CSA2010 has nothing to do with state laws and which violations officers will write tickets for. CSA2010 has to do with the violations that have always been cited; however, no penalty was ever generated for the violation, i.e. log form and manner violations. The ranting about fines is moot to the discussion.

    Log form and manner violations are associated with driver fatigue... Why? Because if a driver is not well rested their attention to detail suffers; therefore, their paperwork suffers. Sometime drivers just don't have a clue.

    IMHO all too often motor carriers fail to meet their requirements under Part 390.3:

    All too often carriers hand the driver a copy of the FMCSR and have them sign for it and say "OK, they're trained."

    Carriers that fail to monitor their logs and take the necessary corrective action to school the drivers will suffer the consequences of their actions.

    Drivers that fail to heed their studies and neglect to complete their logs as required will eventually be unemployable.

    Be safe.
     
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  5. truckerdave1970

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    What's next? If I have a dirty truck with a full trash can, or I an unshaven and grumpy, or I have a tv and porn in the truck that I am "UNFIT" to drive now??? Ooops, they are already doing that in some states!!!
     
  6. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    While I can see a small benefit to the CSA2010 proposals the bottom line of the whole things continues to be less about safety and more and more about revenue enhancement for the enforcing jurisdiction. Which has been over 50% of the DOT's work from what my experience has been.
     
  7. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy Road Train Member

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    You're missing the big picture.
    it's not designed to weed out safety violations.
    It's designed to weed out small companies and O/O's

    A big company has a safety department, and can find (and learn) all these little imaginary made up rules and teach the drivers that (or promise to thru a cooperation with the DOT...........) But little companies? No, they just try to do the major stuff and stay safe. They don't have all the little forms dotted and teed in the correct manner.
    O/O's are even worse off.

    It's not if you are safe or not, it's if you have the proper documentation. All governments do this. Do you have this form and this form, and is it all filled out correctly? When they come to your place of business and do the DOT safety audit, do they look at the trucks, or do they look at the paperwork? (they look at the paperwork of course)

    This isn't a huge problem for big companies who have reams of people (probably offshored) doing exactly this. it's a huge problem and overhead for little companies.

    Who does lobbying? It isn't the little guy. It's the big companies. This is all designed to benefit the big companies.

    Same as all the actions of the last few years. All designed to benefit the big companies in every manner. Big banks bailed out, little guy ???????. Big auto companies bailed out, local dealerships ???????. wall street bailed out, stock investors ????. even the current health care is all designed to benefit big insurance companies, hospitals, etc. patients, doctors? ?????
     
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  8. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    CSA2010 is not changing the roadisde inspection program or state laws regarding when officers may write a citation. When I worked for the State of Colorado we had a specific list of which violations warranted penalties and were instructed to only write tickets for those penalties.

    CSA2010 is a federal tool to evaluate drivers/carriers using roadside inspection data. The feds will use the roadside inspection data to classify drivers/carriers and issue the driver/carrier an operational rating of "Contiue to Operate"; "Marginal"; or "Unfit to Operate." The only added citation is the rule that prohibits drivers/carriers from operating when determined unfit.

    Currently less than .1% of the carriers are seen each year. CSA2010 is a tool to expand the number of carriers contacted. CSA2010 will allow the FMCSA (feds to send drivers/carriers letters of warning for inappropriate behavior. When a carrier fails to comply they maybe sent a NOC (Notice of Claim) identifying penalties for a pattern of violations. When drivers fail to heed the warnings they will be deemed unfit and as such unemployable by the trucking industry. Drivers that operate after being declared unfit will be sent NOCs and possibly have their license revoked or suspended, which may lead to an arrest during a roadside inspection.

    CSA2010 is not about money, it's about the feds using roadside inspection data to rate drivers/carriers.

    Be safe.
     
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  9. rubbergearsnextyear

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    Yes. Same citations/fines, just harsher punishment. Would still like a good answer to my question on the first page of this thread if you would be so kind.

     
  10. Roadmedic

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    So, we can assume that all of the new "areas of interest" will not result in fines that can be assessed where they were not in previous years?
     
  11. Rollover the Original

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    Every logbook I've ever had has this line on it saying "Shipping document number(s) or name of shipper and commodity" on it usually under your company name and truck/trailer information. (This is usually on the loose leaf type full page logs) I went and looked at my old tax records and yep there it was down in the remarks section of the old logbooks.

    The information needed is pretty straight forward! You put the info from the BOL, NOT a dispatch number! When you give your log and BOL's to a DOT officer this is one of the things he looks for and can write you up for not having all of the information on your log. Also the BOL information can be useful later if you have a problem with pay! At least you have all the pertinent info on one page. I've always used the BOL number but there are some shippers that don't use a BOL number so this is when you will put , dispatcher brains and XYZ company on the line.
     
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