CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

No offense taken!
Since you and I have never met, you really dont know if I am a quality driver or not. But if you knew me and said that, then it would be another matter!
I understand what you are getting at though. It's the bottom 1% that makes the rest of us look bad and when I see someone acting the fool out here, I make the attempt to point it out to them. But you know the typical responses. and then all the other drivers, senseing a oppurtunity to put someone down will often agree with the "fool" and defend their foolish actions! I dont get that!
for example: I spot a trucker tailgating a 4 wheeler, I ask him if that was his wife or kida in that car and I was that close to them, how would he feel? typical answer: drive yours, I'll drive mine! (expletives deleted) then anyone that heard the CB conversation decides to jump all over me for daring to say something! At that point, I just jot the the needed info and make a call to that carrier when I stop again. But I guess that's the wrong thing to do???

 

CSA is just an interpretation of the data in the FMCSA records, used to assign a safety rating. CSA itself does not affect the inpection procedure or change in any way how enforcement is handled before and after it's effective date. As such, the DATA is the important issue, not CSA ... and the Data Q system has been around for some time. You do not challege the CSA findings, they will be a direct result of the date obtained from FMCSA. It is important to make the distinction.

The rogue officer, while a rarity, is what I addressed previously. Some may call us paranoid but these people do exist, fortunately I've dealt with only one in my career so far. Allowing for the possibility that any of us COULD have our career and possibly our freedom terminated by just one person, with no realistic means to defend ourselves, should be very disturbing yet is brushed aside. It happens, very infrequently, but it happens. That's the American way these days however, meaning until it happens to me or someone that matter to me, it's not my problem. Apathy has long been the downfall of this industry.

You really don't see the POTENTIAL for a rate increase for good drivers? I'm not expecting things to change too much, but the POTENTIAL is there if bad companies also go by the wayside as this thing gets rolling. If you want equipment maintained it costs money, if you expect drivers to drive legally rates may need to go up (compensating for 'lost revenue' from the extra hours). Something will have to budge, we just can't say what or when it will be.

 

I know the company mentality. I worked in management for 20 years. It is well known that management will continue to keep salaries low. It is their goal.

 

I understand what you are trying to say: that if I had been doing everything right everyday that there will be no problem with this new system.
I am confident that even with the 3 minor violations I have that there will be no problem for me!
But you are missing MY point!
We are becoming a facist state where our civil rights are being taken from us at an alarming rate all for the sake of safety they tell us! If you study history, every dictator gradually took rights from the people until they were gone. Secret police, warrantless searches, no right to bear arms, we are becoming the former Soviet Union. DOT should be re-named KGB.
when will this trampling on our rights stop?

 

Hopefully until such time as it becomes necessary to raise wages to attract qualified personnel.

Reading back a page or two I think I can summarize this in a way you will agree ... just phrased differently. You mentioned some writeups that wouldn't hold up in traffic court ... and the problem is a DOT inspection does not go to traffic court. For all practical purposes, once the report is written it's a done deal.

Now I got my panties all in a wad with this discussion. Can't get them straightened out with them still on. Have to grab the CB now and announce the next step in the process ...

 

I have never heard anyone say on the air, the panties are in a wad, only that they were not wearing them.

 

well ... I said I couldn't straighten with with them on ... thus they must come off ..... at which time I grab the CB and announce THAT to the world.

Hey, I need to do my part to uphold the industry standards.

 

Thanks for not taking offense.

No, I think that's an outstanding thing to do, I do the same thing.
I think if a majority of us did, it could help. Call the carrier and then call the proper law enforcment agency if the actions are sufficently bad enough to warrant that action.

I know I'll probablily catch some flack by people saying stuff about tattle tales, rats, snitches, etc., but if we don't police ourselves then we open the door to even more and tighter government oversight.
Then again if somebody isn't driving like a moron there's nothing to worry about.

Besides I'll take any name calling if I might have saved somebodys life.

 

Now how many carriers are interested in paying for qualified personnel ? If that was their interest there wouldn't be tens of thousand unemployed drivers sitting home while recruiters keep running to CDL mills .

 

So, let me get this straight. You could care less 2 years ago about what you did, until now. Well if driver's took care of their business, ALL OF THE TIME, this wouldn't be that big of an issue. I've read your rants about unconstitutional and double jeopardy, but somehow it doesn't wash. It's not double jeopardy, it's not unconstitutional. What it boils down to is a data captioning process. So by your reasoning 383.51 (Disqaulifying offense) is also against the law, the constitution and double jeopardy? Check this shortcut to the federal reg's on disqualification of CDL's. So when you get convicted of two serious violations, it's unconstitutional to disqualify or suspend your driver's license??????????????

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu.../fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348002386d


By the way what amendment does the CSA2010 violate?

Try looking at these two links to educate yourself on CSA 2010.

http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/Documents/CSA2010IndustryBriefing.ppt
http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/DriverInfoforCarriers.pdf

I guess the problem driver's if they would have known about CSA 2010 would have cleaned up their act? I doubt it. CSA 2010 did not just get dreamed up last week, they have been talking about CSA 2010 for a few years. If memory serves me right around 2004 or so.