CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Correct me if I am wrong, but thanks to CSA 2010, warnings will still take points off our safety rating just like tickets, yes???
It is my understanding that we can be pencil-whipped right into unemployment.

 

Hopefully LEO's will keep the seriousness of violations in mind and realize the kind of industry turnover they create if laws are too strictly enforced .
But I'm curious . How many of you feel your career would be in jeopardy if CSA 2010 had been put in effect a year or two ago ? My carrier has nontolerance rules more strict than CSA 2010 so I'm not worried . It's slack carriers like Crete and U.S. Xpress that were found in noncompliance in audits that brought these rules on us .

 

Hopefully you are right. Time will tell.

 

2 things trouble me the most about this:
1. They are going to use data collected from up to 3 years ago! This is just wrong. It's double jeopardy and, IMHO, a retro-active law. If they said to us after the 1st of the year, any violation we get will damage your safety rating, well, that would suck, but would be fair. But instead, they are dredging up the past, violations that were fixed or you paid your fines or whatever and telling us we are going to punish us AGAIN for the same violation. How many of us would have cleaned up our act 3 years ago if we knew what was coming? For some drivers, it's just too late! They will be done driving for good and THEY DONT EVEN KNOW IT YET!
2. There is no talk of an appeals process that I've seen so far. (Maybe I missed it) But it seems like you can be put out of the truck and there is no "due process", no judge, jury, nothing!!! So let's say there is an appeal process, knowing how efficent our gov't is (LOL), it may be months before you get your appeal heard and months more before you win (which knowing our gov't, you wont win)your appeal, how are you going to pay your bills if you cant drive a truck? If you are an O/O, your truck will be repo'd and then I guess you will have to drive for one of the mega-carriers (if you dont have too many points against you). If you are a company driver, like me, I guess you just go on welfare, or become homeless. That sounds like the American dream!!!

 

I think the points he showed were flawed.
Think about it.
7 points for a 11 or 70 violation, 10 for drugs......
Most 11 and 70 violations are math errors on the part of the driver. Maybe they did the log at the end of the day, when parked and tired. Or they will start there log in the morning just after waking up.
Sure, at those times you will be tired, that is common sense. I mean come on. When you do the majority of your logging you will not be 100%.
But to have the points on that to be close to the points for having drugs or alcohol in the truck is totally insane.
Plus having 5 instances of missing info count the same as drugs is also insane.
These pencil pushers have absolutely no common sense and are as ignorant as any people I have ever heard of.
I have 0 violations. Ever.
Driving trucks on and off for all of my adult life. No tickets, no violations.
Well, there were some weight ones here and there driving local, but I had no way to know the weight, since there were no scales in the loading area, or at any location in the area, accept in a dump. And then it was at the receiver.
I have had (i believe) 5 DOT inspections in the last 2 years. 3 of those were lvl 1s.
If they checked my logs on just about any given day they would probably find a bol# that I had not added yet, or missing mileage from the prior day.
Though on the mileage thing, I went years without adding that. I have never seen a reg that says it is mandatory. Only some company's want it. I guess I should look eventually though.
I just hate to guess on it, and some days I forget to reset my odometer. Mostly because I stop when I get tired, and go when I have not been up more than 30 min or so. If I guess I am lying, if I forget to add at all then it is just missing lol. Screwed either way.

 

I never said it was,.....

I was just pointing out that with the Teamsters a driver has recourse if management threatens to fire him or her for red tagging a unsafe truck,....

 

Believe me , when this goes into effect there will be plenty of lawyers advertising they can get violations reduced or removed . A ticket is not conviction , only an accusation .

 

I really wonder if they will be able to get these things removed from the records.

It could end up being worse than DAC.

 

The idea is to not get them there in the first place . It isn't that hard to keep a logbook up to date . Moving violations won't go on record until there is a conviction . The equipment violations can be a problem . Should you get points against you if all lights are working when you pretrip but DOT spots one out 100 miles down the road and cites you ? Things usually break on the road , not sitting in a yard .

 

Log books will not really be a problem in the future with the electronic logs.

At issue, is even though the log book says you can drive, you may not be able to, because of fatigue. The company will of course push you to drive. The fatigue is the problem and is also up to the officer to decide.

You may be tired, but not fatigued. He may disagree.