Cummins ISM overheating

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  1. Sickofitall4now

    Sickofitall4now Bobtail Member

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    I have a 2006 international 9400i with a Cummins ISM. My concern is the overheating it's doing under a load. The truck can idle for 5 hours and just start getting heat to it, bobtailing it does not over heat but as soon as it gets hooked to a trailer I starts to overheat. It will get as hot as 220 and fan kick on on cool off to 210. Never gets over 220. Bobtailing it wont get over 180. Took the truck to Cummins and afraid they might be taking me a run for my money. They are wanting to crack open the engine bc they believe it is a blown gasket. Once they start into the engine they are committed and I dont want them to do that if not necessary. Well, I was wondering if a crack exhaust manifold could cause overheating? I do know that the exhaust manifold has 4 bad leaks and was wondering if this could cause the truck to overheat. I have noone to call nor talk to in town and need all the help I can get before I fork over 6k or more on something that might not be the issue. Please help before I go insane
     
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    You’ll get better answers in the garage maybe @REO6205 or @kemosabi49 or another mod can move it.
    If the exhaust leak is bad enough that you’re not making enough boost that can cause overheating.
    You can try cleaning out the radiator.
    You need to check for boost leaks.
    Could be the water pump going out.
    @Heavyd is the go to for international problems.
     
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  4. Espressolane

    Espressolane Road Train Member

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    Why do you think it is overheating?

    Are you having to add coolant?
    Any oil showing in coolant?
    Any excessive oil loss?
    Does it seem to make oil?
    Is the exhaust smoking a lot?
    If so, what does it look like, blue/white or black?

    These things would point to a potential head gasket failure. A test you can do is a cooling system pressure test, also a combustion gas test of the coolant. They would help better identify a head gasket problem. Do that before any disassembly takes place.

    A few other things to consider.
    A running temp on a Cummins engine, is in the range you have posted.
    The fan is turning on about the right temp. Sounds like the fan is cycling on and off. That is good, what it’s supposed to do.

    When was the coolant replaced. Over time the additives get used up. Fresh coolant will have fresh additive package. Replace the coolant filter as well.

    If the radiator is solid, pull it out and have a shop do internal cleaning. Crap building up inside can reduce the radiator efficiency.

    Check both Intake and exhaust systems for leaks.
    Fix them if found.

    Pressure test fuel system for leaks. Your looking for injector problems. A slightly leaking injector could be over fueling.

    Run an overhead. Looking for valve problems.
     
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  5. rank

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    How long has it been overheating under a load?
     
  6. Sickofitall4now

    Sickofitall4now Bobtail Member

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    We bought the truck drove it home, bobtailing never overheated. Next day put it on a load and it was showing it was overheating. When we took it to Cummins for diagnoisis a week ago the last time it registered as overheating was over 400 hours ago. They didn't see any other overheating registered on computer but cant say it hasnt before bc we dont know if anyone cleared computer before we bought it
     
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  7. Heavyd

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    The fan comes on at 207. The dash gauge may be reading faulty. If the engine is overheating, it will log a code, throw a check engine light and derate you. If it is pushing out coolant, then you might be looking a head gasket or more. Exhaust leaks will not really cause overheating. I think you need to look further at what the engine temp is through Insite versus what the dash gauge is reading.
     
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    I see so the truck is new to you. Well that makes sense they are always being sold for a reason. I agree with HeavyD....first thing to check is the gauge. I checked mine by putting the sender in boiling water.

    What are the EGTs?
     
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  9. Sickofitall4now

    Sickofitall4now Bobtail Member

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    When we took the truck to Cummins they stated that the last time the computer registered overheating was 447 hours ago from time we took truck to shop and was under a load at the time of overheating. The truck has not created only thing is fuel mileage gone to pits. I am just scared of letting them break into the head when they stated they are going off the dyno and the mechanic stated the following....

    Run truck on dyno to check for low power & overheating. The dyno will not read horsepower. The engine overheated when loaded and cooled off when the load was removed. Could not run a bottle test on cooling system because truck does not have an overflow tube on it. Checked the cooling system with the exhaust gas detector & it tested positive holding the dector probe over the cooler reservoir with the cap off. The engine logged FC 2973 when on dyno
     
  10. Sickofitall4now

    Sickofitall4now Bobtail Member

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    We only know of it overheating once. The very first time it overheated on a load we took load off and never pulled a load again. Bobtail only. When we took it to shop a week ago today Cummins said the last time the engine logged overheating was 400+ hours ago
     
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    What are the EGT's?
    How much boost will it make?
    Does it overheat when you're climbing a hill or does it do it just cruising on flat ground also?
     
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