Cummins NHC 250 with dead cylinder...need some experts on the old engines

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  1. albertaphil

    albertaphil Bobtail Member

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    I just picked up a new liner, piston, wrist pin, gasket kit and rings today. Injectors should be in by friday.

    This engine has no sneezers or turbo...less to go wrong, I suppose. The piston was the opposite of seized...it just pushed right out, it was so worn.

    If I can figure out a setup to get the old liner out, getting back in business shouldn't be a big deal.

    Does anyone know what torque my connecting rod bolts should be?

    Is there some way to bleed the fuel system on this engine once I get it back together, or does it look after that itself?

    How careful should I be for break-in with an engine that is only 1/6 rebuilt, and only the cylinder and piston at that (no bearings)?
     
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  3. albertaphil

    albertaphil Bobtail Member

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    Oh yeah, what clearance to I adjust the pushrods for the valves and injector to? Thanks.

    Phil
     
  4. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    The injectors should be tightened to 55 in lbs. I think the valve lash will be on the info plate located on the acc drive. It's been a long time, but .016 intake and .029 exhaust comes to mind.

    When rotating the engine, use the 1-6 VS notch to start setting valves, and not the TDC notch. You will start with 1 or 6, whichever has the valves closed.

    Set both injectors and valves on the cylinder that has both valves closed. Always set the injector first, then the valves.
     
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  5. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    Here's something I found interesting that you may want to check.

     
  6. albertaphil

    albertaphil Bobtail Member

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    Well that is interesting. I can't see any wear on the cam or follower...they both appear to be in excellent condition. Clearly, I had a bad injector as evidenced by the localization of the erosion of my piston.

    The guy at the parts place wondered if my engine had been dusted; all the scuffing of the piston. It probably has, but the dark areas on the bottom of the skirt indicate that the heat damage to the piston was likely from hot combustion gases flowing down around the piston.

    This old thing won't put on 100hrs a year, I hope it will last a couple of years.

    BTW, these are aftermarket parts I got...Cummins (via. my local Navistar dealer) said they would only sell me complete inframe kit since they didn't know whether my engine had original pistons.

    The parts store guy seemed reasonably sure that what they brought in was equivalent to what I took out. Time will tell. For $350 vs. $2200 I'll risk it this time. Maybe I'll learn somthing. I'll keep you all posted.
     
  7. JohnP3

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    You can look and feel the cam and followers from the bottom. You do want to look down at the cam rollers and if you can see the copper from the roller pins that is usually cased by the pin being broken. Just a thought!
     
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  8. albertaphil

    albertaphil Bobtail Member

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    Hi there, seeding is done and I can finally get back to work on the truck. All the big stuff is done, and I'm trying to adjust the valves and injectors. I'm using a book for a Big Cam IV, most of which seems the same, but I can't find anything pertinent for adjusting these old style injectors.

    The only procedures in the book are for "top stop" injectors and "STC" injectors. I'm positive I don't have STC, and I'm quite certain that I don't have top stop. How do I adjust the injectors? At the top of the injector there is just a spring with a metal cap through which the link protrudes.

    Do I just adjust the injector for zero clearance, or do I need to preload the spring with some kind of tiny torque wrench? Thanks for the help.

    Phil
     
  9. Brickhauler

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    I will look for my old cummins book to double check but what I remember on those engines is you set the injector on each cylinder at the same time you adjust the valves. If I remember right you are supposed to bottom the injector out with the adjusting screw and torque it to 62 inch pounds. I will look for my old cummins book in the morning. I have friend here locally who recently bought a late 50's truck with a small bore cummins in it. Outside fuel lines the whole works. He fired it up for me the other day when I was over there, I was amazed how quiet and smooth that old engine ran.
     
  10. albertaphil

    albertaphil Bobtail Member

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    I think what you are referring to is the procedure to check for leaking injector seals. You bottom the injector plungers and torque to 60lb/in then put the air gun on the fuel inlet at the rear head and pressurize the fuel gallery to 30psi then look for air bubbles up the injector sides.

    I don't think much changed on Cummins engines from 1950 to about 1994.

    You have to set the valves on one cylinder while setting the injector on another. And after you're done, you must check the injector settings on cylinders 2,3 and 5 (I think) to "account for any camshaft deflection that happened during the setting sequence."

    If you have an old book, I'm sure it will say the correct way, and it isn't that difficult. I have the setting marks all figured out on my accessory drive pulley, I just don't know what to do with the adjusting screw:)

    Thanks,

    Phil
     
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  11. stranger

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    I think that is the procedure for the Big Cam engines with top stop injectors. The procedure I put in post 23 is correct for the NH series with the old style injectors.
     
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