I had the PT pump on my big cam 3 rebuilt maybe a month or so ago.
The truck has only been run around my yard, not down the road yet.
Initially everything sounded great and ran like it should. Then it began to feel like the accelerator was sluggish and it was harder to start, like it was losing its prime and sucking air.
It's continued to get worse until now it's acting like full-blown sucking air. If you accelerate there is no acceleration. If you hold it to the floor for a little bit and take your foot off then the engine will soar on its own and come back down and wants to stall out or it will stall out. As it idles the engine just surges.
I gravity fed it with a fuel can from up high, with the same results. The fitting with o ring that connects into the filter housing is brand new. I also put a new fuel filter on. So at this point the way I see it, either the fuel filter housing is cracked or the pump is having a problem. I do not think the housing is cracked.
When I took out the old filter I dumped it out and dirt did come out of the filter. That's the picture I've enclosed. I did drain some fuel from the bottom of the tank and some crap did come out but it didn't really seem like that much. But there was dirt that came out of the filter. I put the engine into this truck, and I did not think there could be any problem with junk in the tanks, or to completely drain them before I started it.
I am going to take the pump back to them tomorrow. Before I run the engine again I'm going to completely drain the fuel tanks and figure out how I can flush them. But here is my question.
Could dirt have passed through the filter and gotten into the pump? How much dirt will that filter filter out?
That engine only ran maybe a couple of hours if that. Could dirt really have gotten past that filter in that short of time and caused this problem?
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Cummins PT pump problems
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Dino soar, Jan 2, 2020.
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Does sound like is pulling in air. It is common for the pressure head were the shut-down solinoid and the injection line comes out of to crack at fittings or the o-ring were it mounts to the pump to leak and pull air. But that usually means you will see it wet with fuel around it.
Also if the pump was rebuilt with older kit with the old style rubber o-rings the new ulsd fuels well kill them in no time.
Throttle shaft seals go out in a snap. -
No fuel anywhere, the pump is dry.
Before the pump was rebuilt, the throttle shaft seal was leaking and you could see the leak. -
The throttle shaft seal can still suck air and not leak any fuel. Its sensitive enough that it only needs a teeny tiny amount of air to come through the seal to cause the headache you have. Just a bubble can do it.
I’m about to be 11 years on my pump from the last rebuild and i feel very lucky with the quality of todays fuels to go that long. Shop that rebuilt told me 6 was darn good. I did have to put a new pressure head on it 3 years ago and replaced the afc diaphram twice in that time cause the fuel eats it and makes it shrink. -
If that is all that it is that would be great. -
When you removed the filter do you remember what the fuel level in it was? Should be 3/4 to the top if normal. Well not be full. Also this is a subject of dabate but in all the old Cummins shop manuals they tell you to prefill all the fiters to the top when replacing and not to install them dry. so it can instantly run and work the air out of the system faster.
Could be it needs to work out air if all its been doing is a lot of idle and no road running. Some are pretty quick and Some take longer. Throttle it up to 1500 or so and see if it starts to clear. Any time you crack anything loose on fuel system you introduce a little air which will cause it to stumble for a while. -
I have 3 running with pt’s and 2 of them do more idleing in and out of shop or idleing trailers around the yard and after a while they start to run rough and the throttle starts to surge and either doesn’t rev up or doesnt return to idle just kind of hovers. If i take ‘em out down the road a little bit and get em throttled through some gears they reset so to speek. Dont know why they do that but they act like air gets to them and then goes away.
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When I initially put the pump on it ran the way that it was supposed to. I ran it for maybe a few hours at 1700 RPM because I flushed the engine and radiator and heater cores a whole bunch of times.
It just got progressively worse until I have absolutely no throttle response and the engine surges at idle and wants to stall after you rev it. I have been running it around my yard but running it with high RPMs and shifting and I could feel it getting progressively worse and the throttle response declining.
I put a new filter on just to make sure the filter itself was not obstructed. I did fill the filter and I have shut-off valves at the tanks so I refill the lines to make sure everything is completely primed.
Same thing all over again.Last edited: Jan 2, 2020
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Been awhile since I played with that style of cummins but dont they have a low pressure transfer pump and could it be week and starving the inj pump of fuel?
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Hmmm. Very weird indeed. Flushing cooling system should have done nothing to cause throttle and rough running or surge issues with the pump unless it opened up a bad spot in a head or a liner that is now causing water to get in the cylinders or water in the fuel. After cooler could be leaking into the intake ports a little? Seen that on a ‘79 bc come to think of it. Had to re weld it.
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