dbl clutching?

I could (and have many times) countered using the same argument... floating is done because people do not either obtain the skills or could care less about the skill of double clutching.. all floaters have on their side is that its "easier".. not much of a defense. and never has been and I've been having this same talk on these internet discussion boars for about 15 years anyway.. There is absolutely no real defense for floating other than it is easier.. it provide no benefit whatsoever to the equipment and in fact is not the way to properly shift... but its not just "opinion". I have practically given up trying to convince people because they get all butt hurt and defensive over the topic. Floating is done because drivers get lazy and its one less thing that they have to do.

 

Id agree with that...and I still maintain double clutching is better for the truck regardless of any additional clutch wear. The truth is, a driver who has been driving for 30 years floating isnt even going to consider double clutching even if it is better for the truck. Its also true, that if your a perfect floater you wont do much damage. Most of the older drivers are pretty good at shifting, thus it really doesn't matter form a wear perspective. If your bad at shifting, DC is much better. That being said, I agree with the DC in the right conditions. If im down shifting from 5L to 4 on a steep hill with my 13 I better DC or I'm not gonna make it.

 

They are only trapped if the next company requires that they know how to properly shift.. if they allow slopshifting they could eek out a test .

 

"And don't you ever give me bs because I haven't been driving as long. I'm a professional driver making as much money and driving as safe as drivers who have been driving 10+ years. You assumption that I don't know what I'm talking about is just plain rude."

Richter , JIMROY wasn't being rude....its just when a driver has spent many years out here , it really makes you a humble person knowing that every safe mile that you drive is a gift from God, yeah the driver has a little input to be sure. We realize that while most folks don't understand our jobs its not their fault, they just don't know cause they aren't out here day after day , mile after mile. But when a "new driver" comes in and starts to make assumptions like the one you made it sort of gets under our skin.

Being a professional driver starts with and continues with and ends with the right ATTITUDE....not miles , not pay , not how fast your truck goes, or anything else like that. A monkey can be trained to drive a truck....don't take that much gray matter. But it takes the right kind of attitude to be a professional...and that means while no one discounts your time in trucking...no sir not one bit...we would like to be shown the respect and dignity that our decades of experience warrant.

When someday you reach that point , you too will expect it I'm sure.

 

Start by not being ##### and showing us respect to. Just because you guys have more experience doesn't mean you are better drivers when it comes to the companies bottom line and your bottom line. I'm happy to learn from experienced drivers, but I wont learn from someone who disrespects me and treats me like a noob, just because I wasn't born 50 years ago. At the company I work for the "old school" drivers put a lot more damage on the trucks then us newbies, so as long as we avoid accidents its cheaper to run our truck. Now there are good old drivers that dont abuse the truck and there are good new drivers that dont roll their trucks. No need to say I dont know how to shift or how a trans works because I'm newer.

 

I just re read my post, I DIDN'T say any thing about old drivers in the post he responded to. All i said was floating puts more wear on the trans. That's fact, and if you ever learned how the trans actually worked you would now more metal on metal is sliding when you float. I never said floating is wrong, just said it will make your trans fail a little earlier. Its simple physics. To the driver that said he built his trans and so no damage from floating....You wont see specific floating damage but your trans will wear out sooner.

 

Richter...what I'm gonna say may be agreed with or not...but you do need to hear it and I'll be done sir......RESPECT is EARNED not GIVEN..the sooner you realize that the better off you'll be. With your answers you are doing nothing but proving the point I made about attitude for me.

 

well fozzy,
i got news for you , i drove my first truck in 1977, went to full time driving hauling logs to start ,in 1981 after my navy tour. I started on a 5&4 long logger , took it up the mountain 15 mins after i got into the cab after some basic instruction. An hour later i brought my first load of logs down the mountain to the log yard. As a matter of fact that 71 pete narrow nose did have a wigwag i saw every day, i also had a compression release i used every morning to start it...... It also had split rim tires, and on top of that i did 6 months busting split rims in the tire shop as no work that winter hauling logs.. We even used an atlas or a real paper map to find our way back then.. .

Oh yes i almost forgot , 23 channel cb radios, most guys had not even bought a 40 channel yet and they just came out less than a year before i started driving..... My 2nd truck was a 1960 pete 15 yd dump, with a 262 cummins in it. You learned to shift with those low hp motors cause you had to........ The smallest i drove was a 200 cummins... When i drove a kta 600 my first time i was in heaven......

I also know how to double clutch quite proficiently, and choose not to as i find most of the time its not only easier to float but smoother too. If you pay attention i said most of us old guys started on multi sticks , these kids, most of them won't ever see a two stick , cause they are becoming not very common in trucks these days. I for one would trade a 13 for a 5&4 any day of the week. So there ya go son , i have been there and have the dresser full of t shirts too.

I started out in the coastal mountains of southwestern oregon and northern california. Driving on anything from flat to a 16% grade , and sometimes loading on a 25% grade , to be pushed and pulled out of those type of landings with the shovel and a d-8 so you didn't bust a rear pot or twist a drive line... So i learned in the old school of hard knocks , taught by the old timers who passed on their knowledge, they didn't tell ya to go to a truck driving school , i did the job my first day in the cab and learned as i went along. When i started no one hardly went to a truck school, you climbed in with an old hand who was willing to teach ya and let ya drive....

 

This much debate over double clutching or floating? LOL. Last I checked, I do both and they both work just fine.

 

The driving conditions , weight, load distribution , terrain , weather, drivers experience..lots of things come into play here...I believe that we can all agree , that we all need to be proficient at both.