Ddec V rough idle help (DDDL snapshots)

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  1. dustinbrock

    dustinbrock Road Train Member

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    Here is a pic of the injector response time. The 1st 5 injectors fluctuate every couple seconds about .02ms but number 6 stays absolutely steady at .67

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    Here are the cylinder cutouts at 1000rpm and idle. 6 is consistently lower then the others although 3 is a bit lower too. Ran test like 10 times with similar outcomes.

    Truck just started running rough and lost power yesterday, I'm not a mechanic so I don't understand the numbers on DDDL to know how much of a gap between is acceptable.

    Also if anyone could maybe give me a few ideas to check out too, greatly would appreciate it.

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  3. GrapeApe

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    Something is not right with the baseline on that idle test. You should have the engine up to temp, run the test 3 times back to back and average the numbers. Your air compressor or fan could have been running during the baseline sample and kicked off when cutting out. Your test at 1000 looks like a good test, but #6 is bad.

    Think of the tests this way. The baseline represents total fueling with all 6 firing. When you cut a cylinder, the others work harder to push the dead cylinder. The numbers should go up because it's running less efficiently. You are looking for the number to go up at least 0.2 over baseline and all cylinders to be within 0.2 of each other. Looking at your 1000 RPM test with a 4.03 baseline, the minimum you should see on any cylinder is 4.23, so something is not right with #6. Virtually no change when it's cut means it wasn't doing anything to begin with. #3 also show a little weak, but it may be OK once you average out 3 back to back tests. With your highest at 4.69. the lowest should not be lower than 4.49.
     
  4. QUALITYTRUCK

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    Grape is right on. To me it looks like the same. Bad #6. I would look closely at rocker shaft/rocker roller on #6 when you are removing it. Lately, for my shop, it has been more stuck and damaged rockers and scored shafts than actual bad injectors.
     
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  5. dustinbrock

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    The engine was up to temp and I ran the test many times. I will go out this morning and give it another go.

    One thing I'm gonna do is change the fuel filter as I know my driver had ran it out of fuel so I'll run the tests again after.
     
  6. dustinbrock

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    Although I highly doubt this will be the issue as the only fuel filter on the truck is a Davco and it is not even 1/4 way up the aight glass when running.
     
  7. swaan

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    If it only has the davco make sure it has the correct filter in it.. 7 micron

    If by chance someone installed the wrong one damage is done.
     
  8. dustinbrock

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    I run the detroit fuel filter.

    Might be worth mentioning that the fuel is black as molasses in the davco, turned black the second we changed it last time as well. Fuel in tank does not appear black.
     
  9. swaan

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    Well then I think you know what your problem is then...

    Fuel in davco should look like fuel. Not black.
    Soot in fuel from combustion gas getting into fuel rail... that would explain the rough running also and wierd cylinder contribution on the computer.
     
  10. dustinbrock

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    After talking it for a drive and having it at full temp as well s changing the fuel filter, here are my 3 back to back tests.
     
  11. dustinbrock

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    According to what Grape said, the test shows number 6 to be bunk I think. But look at the test at dead idle, numbers are totally different. I'm not sure if that means anything or if the proper test is to be done at 1000rpm. Thoughts?
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