Deregulation and Unionization

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  1. Renegade92

    Renegade92 Light Load Member

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    Good evening,

    I have been reading into the industry and I have 2 questions for those of you who have been around longer than I have, as I am only 30 and wasn't around to see if for myself.

    Was life for a trucker better or worse before the MCA of 1980? And whatever it was, why?

    Also, it sincerely bothers me how poor the conditions are for OTR drivers. Why is unionization for company OTR drivers seemingly nonexistent?

    I feel the same way for owner-operators, but I understand that unionization isn't an option for independents. And unfortunately, I believe that that fact which consists of OO having to stand alone, is what allows the industry to treat you all the way they do...poor rates, low TONU and detention fees, and more poor rates, etc.
     
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  3. D.Tibbitt

    D.Tibbitt Road Train Member

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    What creates poor conditions is drivers putting up with it... Nothing more nothing less...
     
  4. chimbotano

    chimbotano Heavy Load Member

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    yep. I refused to haul for what brokers want to pay, so Ive parked my truck since February 28, after 4months of resisting , I can't do that anymore . so, since last week, I started hauling just short runs. it is frustrated for me to see truckers bending over and get screwed by brokers. 4 moths of resisting for nothing!!! I was told by a lease operator that I should become one of them, because he is hauling for 2 dollars per mile and he is profitable. looking at it from his angle , I can haul loads for 1.80 per mile and ill make a living, but I told him that I have DIGNITY and I will not help to destroy this industry for personal gain or convenience. but , that is me.
     
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  5. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    You can't get truck drivers to agree on the price of free coffee, that's why unions haven't made a comeback.
    Anybody getting into the industry as an Owner/Operator or Independant should be well aware that there is nobody to go crying to about how you're treated or paid.
     
  6. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Trucking paid better before de-regulation. But the industry with the ICC running it was terribly inefficient. Just like most any other thing the feds run.

    For the industry to unionize, it would take a massive effort and expense on the part of the unions, and still after the NLRB elections, probably get voted down. And O/Os cannot organize for the purpose of setting rates. The feds would consider separate companies (individual O/Os) getting together on rates to be price fixing. They can join professional organizations like OOIDA but OOIDA is not a union.
     
  7. Renegade92

    Renegade92 Light Load Member

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    You said that pay was better before de-regulation...any idea why?

    Also, regarding unionization, I understand why it isn't an option for OOs. But, I don't understand why company drivers who drive OTR (Swift, Landstar, etc.), don't unionize. I was a Teamster once for UPS, and while it wasn't perfect, we had it better than any non-unionized competitor that I knew.
     
  8. Cattleman84

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    There are some states where unions are pretty much non existent. I dont know the particulars of how or why, but Idaho run the unions out decades ago. I can only think of 2 very small unions in Idaho... One is involved with Basic American foods and the other is the Iron Workers.

    At Basic American Foods you dont have to be union to work there (I believe it is Illegal to require union membership for employment in Idaho) but if you want to do well in the company you join the union because 95% of the comoany is Union. In all reality the union has very little control and BAF requires a No Strike Clause in the contract. And you can still be terminated for no reason at all.
     
  9. Renegade92

    Renegade92 Light Load Member

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    To be fair, I have worked within 2 unions in my life thus far. Teamsters, and some other one not worth mentioning.

    You are correct. Surprisingly, and sadly, not all unions are worthy. That second union that I mentioned, was worthless.
     
  10. Cattleman84

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    To be honest, I dont like the idea of being in a Union. I like that I have to earn my wage based on my own merits. If I accel I get raises very quickly, if I do the minimum raises are few and far between. I dont like that in many unions the guy that does the bare minimum is paid the same as the guy that goes above and beyond.

    Also, being non union, I can negotiate my own terms. Example: I recently changed employment, I spend nearly 2 months negotiating with a former employer that wanted me back. During said negotiations I got them to come up $4/hr from thier original offer, plus some other perks. Understandably it helped that they were the ones that persued me... Not me perusing them.

    In this day in age, how many folks have a company persue a perspective employee??? I think this is becoming very rare. I didnt fillbout an application or submit a resume... They called me, and I then began laying out my terms... Most of which they met, or we came to a good compromise.

    After I was hired I filled out an application as a formality.
     
  11. Renegade92

    Renegade92 Light Load Member

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    A union, if ran correctly, creates a UNION. A united group of people. United we stand or divided we fall.

    You are going to disagree with this, but after having worked numerous jobs in my life, with their own types of pay structure, I believe it best for people to be paid for the job that they do, and not the job that they can do. What I mean by that, is that if I am new to a specific job, and you have 20 years of experience, I believe we should both be paid the same as you and I are literally doing the same exact job. If a person wants to make more, they need to move up to a different job. But, more pay means more responsibility. And if a person doesn't care for that responsibility, then they need to accept being paid for the job that they are doing, and not the job that they can do.

    Otherwise, you are going to have to deal with "performance" based raises, and "experience" based onboarding, which are all very subjective, and frustratingly subject to nepotism and favoritism.

    Moving forward, I challenge you to do this the next time you get a chance...

    When you see a UPS delivery driver in one of those brown vans, ask him how much his hourly rate is? He should give you a figure of about $40/hr, as his base rate. Time and a half for overtime is given. Not to mention, they get a really good pension and benefits package.

    When you see a FedEx Ground delivery driver in one of those white vans, ask him how much his hourly rate is? He should say that he isn't paid by the hour, but instead by a fixed weekly rate. He should give you a figure of about $800/week. That equates to $20/hr. BUT, that is assuming he only works 40. They normally work more. But he is salaried, so it doesn't help. And because they are only "contracted" workers, no benefits whatsoever.

    My point, is that those 2 guys literally do the same job. They literally do the same job! But because of unionization and its collective bargaining, UPS has managed to tell corporate America and its disgraceful wages to go duck itself. Whereas, the guys working for FedEx have no recourse, and instead have to accept whatever they are given, which isn't much.

    I know this, because I used to be a Teamster with UPS. I was once a delivery driver. I left back in 2017; then, the top pay was $34.26/hr if I recall correctly. I've since moved on to put my formal education to use, but I have not forgotten the disparity that exists between unionized people, and non-unionized people.

    If you can't tell, I hate how the world treats the working man. I was born working class. I'm not ashamed of it. And I believe the values and lessons I've learned along the way have forever made me a better person. But I don't want to stay working class, because I don't like how they treat us.
     
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