Detention Time Question

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  1. TankingSolutions123

    TankingSolutions123 Bobtail Member

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    Good morning everyone,

    We pay a carrier to haul tankers of liquid human food from our location within the same state of South Carolina, so the driver is always home that same night.

    I understand detention time is charged after 2 hours of loading and unloading.

    We strive to always have the carrier in and out of our facility in 40 minutes to 1-hour max. Never has a driver spent anywhere close to 2 hours loading.

    Now, this product is unloaded with air and takes about 2 hours to unload, regardless. There is no way to speed up that offloading time, it is efficient as possible. Is it fair we should have to pay detention time after 2 hours unloading when we have that driver loaded at our facility in under 2 hours?

    Should that extra time saved at our location be applied towards detention when unloading the product at the customer's location? We never use to be charged detention time, and recently it seems like we are consistently being charged this.

    Should we ask for proof of the driver's offloading time? They provide a sheet with the in and out times, but that is written by the driver. The locations have scale tickets that show in and out times, but the carrier never sends copies of those.

    Anyway, sorry for the many questions. This just kinda had me puzzled because there for a while there were no detention time charges for these same locations.
     
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  3. Hatt91

    Hatt91 Light Load Member

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    As a driver, I am paid after one hour of waiting, not two. So it does depend.

    It doesn’t matter to me how long it takes you to unload, but I’m not sitting for no money. Now I don’t do tanker, I do dry van and reefer.
     
  4. Siinman

    Siinman Heavy Load Member

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    Owner Op but dry van. Anything after 2 hours is detention at one location. You do not combine pick and drop locations. Keep in mind a lot pf places refuse to sign stuff for drivers so we write it down on BOL normally.
     
  5. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    Institute a policy that you dont sign BOL until AFTER load is unloaded at which time you can write an in and out time on the BOL and attach scale tickets as proof of those times. Keep copies of everything for yourself.
     
  6. LoboSolo

    LoboSolo Heavy Load Member

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    Tanker driver here.

    If either loading OR unloading takes over 2 hours, detention pay should be in effect. We start that clock after 1 hour.

    It's on the customer to have the product ready, their equipment in good working order, and personnel available as needed.

    They set the load time appointment. We need to show up ontime, or no more than 30 minutes after that time, or detention pay is off the table. Stuff happens. Trucks break. Then that cost would be on us.

    If your product can't be unloaded any faster, then the detention pay is just another part of the cost of the product. Sounds more like an engineering problem to me.
     
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  7. MacLean

    MacLean Medium Load Member

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    Maybe the question is, how do you pay for the load? Is It a set amount per load / trip? Has it been factored in to take x-many hours on each side? What does your contract look like without getting into the specifics?
     
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  8. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Talk to the carrier's sales team, you might get somewhere...maybe roll a few bucks more into linehaul and NO detention...well maybe in the old days.

    Otherwise:

    Save it for an item handled 'up front' when negotiating with your next carrier.

    Air unloading is nice and clean but a pump can do more. Product density is also a large factor. I remember blowing Aluminum Chloride [for deodorant] to a tank 4 floors up and around a 1/4 mile away. it was a small amount in a large trailer and it took 6 or 7 hours...
     
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  9. RockinChair

    RockinChair Road Train Member

    @TankingSolutions123 Since the unloading process cannot be sped up, I think you have two options.

    The first is to use two trailers, that way the driver can drop the loaded trailer at the consignee and they can unload it while he is returning the empty trailer to your facility to reload. This also gives you the advantage of being able to provide uninterrupted service in the event that one of the trailers has to be temporarily removed from service (repair, washout, certification tests); the driver would simply revert to doing it the way that it's currently done until both trailers are back in service.

    The other option is to simply include the cost of detention time in the price you are charging the consignee.
     
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  10. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    I can see a third option, but it's unlikely to be cost effective as the two you gave.
    Install a holding tank that the trailer can gravity drop the product into, then when finished unloading the tanker pump from there to the main tanks.
     
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  11. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Had a stop who's storage was two old tankwagons.

    Left a $20.00 in the tank fill to tell my driver which one to fill.

    Never had an over fill....
     
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