Differences in N14's...

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  1. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    Just curious about the differences in hard parts among the various hp ratings in the later model N14's...more specifically what is different between a Celect + which was rated at 460hp stock, but turned up to 525 and one that left the factory at 525hp (complete with the snazzy '525' on the rocker boxes). I had a list of injector part #'s and it listed a different injector (holes and hole sizes) between the 460/525 and the 525. I have a 460 that was turned to 525...horsepower and torque ratings are allegedly the same between the two 525's..................................but what's different...??? Clear as mud? Thanks for any input.
     
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  3. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    *cough* bump...I know it's not a Cat related, but c'mon.
     
  4. 25(2)+2

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    Different ECM also, from what I was told, and I'm not sure about torque curves. I was told that the 525 from the factory was better running than even a 500 turned up.

    The company had a bunch of Red Tops, the last 3 new were bought in 2003 with 525 hp backed by 18 speeds, with 1850 ft.lbs. of torque.

    There was a higher torque rating available for off-road of 2050 ft.lbs. but the high horsepower ones didn't last as well as those limited to 1650 ft.lbs. of torque, again from what I've heard.

    2 of the three blew up spectacularly, one just shy of a million miles, the other well under that mark, the other got sold at auction when that company was liquidated.

    525 crate engine was 24K installed at the FL dealership in 2009.
     
  5. JohnP3

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    I have never seen an N14 coming from the factory with a 460 rating being able to be up-ed to 525 and never ever up-ed to 2050 torque. 525 had two piece pistons.
    The high torque ratings were 1850. We had a fleet that did real heavy hauling over mountains they bought the early 460s to get the best cam for the Jake's, they derated them to 430 and they lived for well over 1.5 million before being sold. They did get an overhaul at 750,000.
    Red tops is a valve cover option nothing else.
    A select was like a base ECM, Cummins first try, the Plus was the second version and had better memory and a few more inputs like the intake temp sender
     
  6. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    Sooooo....what would happen if I put the bigger injectors that came stock in the factory 525hp into my stamped @ 460 turned to 525/1850tq..........it was hooked up to the Bozo-puter a while back and I had 'em check the rating for sure after they got the CEL figured issue figured out.
     
  7. southbaydad

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    Does anyone know the difference of a N14 ESP engine?
     
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    ESP is for Electronic Smart Power. It was an option for the engine to have two different horsepower and torque curves. Electronically the engine would monitor power output and engine loading and automatically switch between a low and high power output as needed.
     
  9. V8Lenny

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    In Finland we had 425, 475 and 525, only difference was the software. 530 had different injectors they said but I'n not sure. When I ordered a PP box for one 530 they said that CPL says it's a 525 ?
     
  10. Autocar

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    According to Pittsburgh Power, all Celect Plus engines were Red Top. Celect Engines were all black. The differences of the engines is the CPL (Cummins Parts List) number, different cams, injectors and ECM programming. I have a '96 Celect Plus 460, at home to be rebuilt, with a 2025 CPL. It can easily be turned up to 525, however, I'll probably leave it a 460 and just run a Power Box, if I want more.
    BTW, all Red Tops run two piece pistons. The N14 mechanical, with STEP Timing ran one piece pistons, like my old Big Cam III 400.
     
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  11. JohnP3

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    I worked on a fleet of the early celects and they were 460.s derated to 430 and everyone had a red valve cover.They all had one piece pistons. It was an option and the old steel covers had a problem of leaking. The early Celect plus we had to retrofit the air intake temp sensor and reprogram them.
     
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