Dispatcher tries to force driver to drive tired. *MUST SEE*

I agree. Tried to come off as a hero and ended up looking like a douche.

 

This guy averages 2.3 thanks for every post.....now this is a man whose opinion some of you should heed.

 

My loads always leave after eight driving at night is not a big dilemma. I do what he was supposed to do on the norm. That's me though.

 

I"m not sure what time his pick up time was, I just herd him say as soon as he finishes his break he'll haft to roll and pick up his next load.

 

I'm awesome. Lol. But I've been out here a long time. One of our members has a sig at the bottom. I kinda live by it. I don't stop when I'm tired. I stop when I'm done. With 20 hours off, even if you slept ten, the body will get tired from not doing anything. That's a fact. No reason a 2-4 hour nap wouldn't have done this guy good. Some people make excuses not to do their job.

 

I LOL'd at this. I do this often myself (reefer). In fact, doing it right now. Arrived at Dole in Bessemer City for a 1400 appointment. Waited around all afternoon into the evening. Finally let them know I was going to bed and knock when they're ready. Now up at 0245 for the unload and 15 min later fully awake again. You need to sleep when you need to and wake when you need to. Condo made some earlier posts to this effect. It's something you have to figure out how to do. When I'm faced with being up an extra 10 to make a schedule work, I will exercise, jog, whatever, for an hour or two so I can sleep a few hours right before I need to get up. Then I pull the curtains when it's time and get it done.

Oddly, it seems the only ones not backing Abe's story are also posting overnight. Coincidence?

Actually, I disagree with Joseph on 90% of what he posts. He's a legend in his own mind (and admits it, at least LOL). However, he nails it this time. And got my thanks.

 

It doesn't matter why the driver is tired, that has no bearing in this thread. We lack the information to make any decisions based upon that. If he's too tired to work after 12 hours, he's too tired to work. That is the point where K&B needs to decide if his production and on time service rates are good enough for him to keep employed. You can do the right thing, and still lose your job. I've recommended termination on plenty of drivers that I liked and argued to keep drivers that I didn't like because I try to leave all the personal behind and focus on the facts. I'll keep on saying it, we do not have enough facts to make any decisions. All we can look at is the driver saying he is falling asleep.

I find it odd that he states the issue was resolved and then he posts it on You Tube, that may have been a poor choice since he doesn't bother talking about the resolution. Running your mouth after a decision has been made often comes with consequences. Not saying they had the same type of agreements in place, but I would think you'll be seeing that in the future.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/us/facebook-post-costs-father/

 

You're a wannabe trucker according to your profile...I think you need to get so some experience before giving advice in this business...for that matter...k&b is hiring, I'm sure they could hire you....because what he did was right....shut down..

now I ask you one question....would you want your family around that truck with a driver whom is falling asleep at the wheel???

 

I strongly suggest you guys do some research into sleep and circadian rhythms. Sleep is not like an ATM where you can save it up for future use or withdraw it when you need to run all night.

It is a 24 hour cycle that revolves around hormonal levels, environmental cues and several other extrinsic and intrinsic factors. If you routinely disrupt that cycle by forcing your body to stay awake when it needs sleep or vice versa, you risk consequences. Some as mild as irritability, or as severe as falling asleep while driving.

The point we are trying to make, regardless of why the driver did not get rest, is fatigued driving can be deadly! Coercing(or attempting to coerce) a driver to drive fatigued is not just counter to safety, but is also against the law.

Just for sake of arguing, let's turn the scenario around.

Dispatch calls Billy Big Rigger, says to Good Old Bill, "Bill, according to your e-logs and GPS tracking, you have not stopped driving for 20 hours! We need you to stop driving ASAP and take your mandated 10 hr break. Billy says, "No thanks, I am headed home. I only have 160 miles to go and I ain't stopping till I get there."

Now, dispatch has recoded both the phone calls and the qualcomm msgs.

Billy Big Rigger gets 19 miles from home, starts to microsleep, but continues to drive.

10 miles from home, Billy Big Rigger closes his eyes one too many times, plows into the line of stopped traffic that he didn't see and kills 10 people!

Subsequent investigation reveals the repeated attempts by the company, and refusals by Billy to pull over and take his 10 hr break.

Question?
Who is at fault now?
Are you going to blame the company or the driver???

The company could have notified LEO's of the drivers violation after the 11th hour of driving and had him stopped, but they chose not to. In fact, in this scenario, the company had 11 HOURS after the driver was in violation of HOS rules to do something. Is this accident their fault or is it the drivers???

 

First of all the company shouldn't have even questioned it. I've never had to call in and say I can't deliver b/c I couldn't sleep, but if I do, I really don't care what dispatch has to say about it, my butt is stopping, I captain that ship and ANY company can kiss my rear. Secondly, I can tell this guy doesn't run much. I guarantee if I come off of a 10 hour run 20 miles then go on another 10 hour, I can certainly get more sleep, and this driver makes a statement of "160 miles isn't just around the corner" well....is for me. Guess I'm used to doing 1100-2000 mile loads all the time, so 160 miles is about a 2 hour and 20 min run.