do not stop here (minooka, IL)

There is also a empty warehouse in that group, the last one to the west , the last time I went past there it was empty

 

My company does not allow use of line 5 if one is hooked to a trailer even if it's mpt.

 

Every company I've ever worked for has allowed it. Never been questioned on it.

 

Yup... that nonsense about only using a CMV for personal conveyance if bobtail is a convenient definition for increasing local revenue.

"Unladen" is a transitive verb meaning to "take the cargo from." Synonyms include off-load, unload and unpack... according to Merriam-Webster. So an "unladen CMV" means a vehicle without freight. If the rules meant "no trailer" they would have used that term. Just another case of over-zealous DOT cops reaching for all of YOUR cash they can grab - because they can. Mostly because we bend over and let them.

 

I would refuse to drive for a company that has this rule, as I have a habbit of running out of hours at a reciever.

What 14 hour clock?

 

I work for a small 250 tk opertion outfit. No more HUGE COMPAIES AFOR ME. I pull intot he terminal greeted by my name, i can walk righ into the office and say hi, even to the owners door.
And i don't have to make a truck payment for some one else either.

 

The issue I look at when I get a guy who claims personal conveyance is, is this driver getting closer to a load or is he legitimate? In over 11 years I have only seen a few legitimate ones that I have stopped. Earlier this year I had a Georgia carrier that had been to Boston, dropped his load. I stop him southbound with an empty trailer. He tells me he is going to North Carolina to his momma's house as a personal conveyance. Ah.......that doesn't sound like personal conveyance. He's getting closer to pick up another load. By the way he was already at over 24 hours on duty when I stopped him.

I've had guys that are moving 3 or 4 miles under personal conveyance and I've bought it, because I understand what they are doing. I believe short distances is the key and not getting closer to another load also. Canada has their personal conveyance restricted I believe 48 miles. There is no clear cut definition to mileage in the US. As Roadmedic stated that is open to interpretation. What is reasonable to me, may not be for a another inspector, and vice versa. That's the crap shoot as it stands today. Unfortunately I think Roadmedic is right in some degree. The big issue will be when there is a wreck and someone is killed or injured and an ambulance chasing attorney is there to cash in. Depending on what the investigation reveals as to those surrounding circumstances and I'm sure a good attorney will look at previous instances of "personal conveyance" that carrier and/or driver has used. Whether legitimate or not, some attorneys that find one instance where it was questionable will use that to their advantage in an attempt to make a large cash payout. Is it right? No. But that is the way these attorney's are in civil suits. If you have never been involved or closely watched some of these cases, you will be amazed at the stuff an attorney will run someone over a washboard for.

 

Just for my own curiosity, how did you know that the guy was getting closer to a load. Did he admit it on his own, did you grill him and he admited it or did he stick to his guns on his story and you are just using an aducated guess? Just curious how you came to your conclusion. Was he an owner op or company driver? If he was a company driver i would agree with your conclusion that it seems shady.

 

Good discussion! 17 years in the industry, and I'm still learning new things.
I have never driven for a company that logged electronically, so I never new about "Line 5".
Any time I wanted to move the truck while off-duty/sleeper.....I just did it, and hoped I didn't get caught.

One thing I can see that may be left up for interpritation (not unlike dieselbear was saying) is this:

The wording gives examples of moving to a 'terminal' or 'motel' (from point of out-of-hours origin) or FROM hotel/terminal to a restaurant. Or from origin to restaurant on the way to hotel/terminal. Or what? It's just confusing. That is why & how, they (Law) can get you---the wording is set up in such away, that anyone can interprit it as they see best fits THEIR agenda----and we all know, the Law wins every time.

Curious on everyone elses interpritations.

 

I always try to avoid that pilot there as well. Your looking at a darn good chance of getting your truck hit there too.