Do you feel elogs should be mandatory or optional?

So what if I'm not out there? Just because I'm NOT out there doesn't mean my opinion isn't relevant. EVERYONE is allowed their opinion around here, keep that in mind.

 

I did not say if your opinion on the subject was, or was not relevant. I asked why your opinion should be considered relevant, as you have not driven for years. Do you still own a truck, or trucks? Is someone in your family driving and this effects them?

 

Have been on e-logs for a year and a half.Got a new Cascadia last friday and there was a problem with the qualcom that I couldn't log in.Had to use paper for four days until it wass resolved.Really,really happy to get my e-logs back.Found I burned more hours up on paper.

 

Autocar your very own words...

To me someones opinions have more weight if they have used paperlogs and used an EOBR. You don't have to still be driving to keep up with the industry. I've been off the road two years now and I'm not the least one bit less knowledgeable than anyone on this forum. This isn't a pissing contest to see who knows the most.

Attack the post and not the poster. Don't you think 12 post in one thread is enough?

 

My father was out there for 30 years, and my hubby is currently a driver . . . that being said, those two factors have no relation to whether my opinion is relevant or not . . . I was a driver, 'nuff said. Retired or active driver, an opinion counts . . . That's the purpose of this forum . . .

 

The "Bad actors" regulation was tossed out in court because the FMCSA failed to address the driver harassment issue. There were several other arguments against the rule which were not yet even considered, because the mere fact that the EOBR devices could be used to harass drivers was enough to get rid of the rule. As such, the FMCSA has NO authority to force anyone to have an EOBR under the current regulations. Any future EOBR regulations will also have to pass judicial review...which current EOBR devices simply will not. If a company opts to put them in their trucks, they can...but as of right now, the FMCSA cannot MANDATE their use.

That is part of the problem with this industry. We have a lot of people here because they "had no other options". They don't care about the image of the industry or what condition the industry is left in when they someday get back on their feet and find a job back home. The fact that they come into this industry with the mindset that it is a "temporary" situation causes them to not want to spend any more time or energy learning HOW to do the job....so they want e-logs, automatic transmissions, GPS navigation, and every other tool possible to allow them to think less about what they are doing. They don't have to trip plan...the carrier will tell them which route to follow, where to fuel, how much fuel to pump....surprised some of these carriers don't have someone in the men's room to wipe their driver's #####. Then again, if you SMELLED some of these "drivers", perhaps some of them could use that service too. Trucking for these people is a "job"...nothing more, nothing less.

It used to be if you were out here driving a truck, it was because you WANTED to be out here driving a truck. You took satisfaction in getting the freight delivered on time, undamaged, and took pride in getting the job done. You were PROUD to be a truck driver...and your actions and the way you carried yourself showed that you had respect for the profession.

The 10 hour break is supposed to be "uninterrupted". Flagging activity on line 3 or 4 interrupts the 10 hour break, whether you are on e-logs or paper...therefore it IS a violation.

When you are at a shipper or receiver, you should NOT have been on line 1 because you were NOT "off duty". LEGALLY you should have been on line 4 while checking in at the receiver, taking care of paperwork, finding out which door they wanted you in, and any other work-related activity. Attempting to go to line 1 for that time was a violation of the HOS regulations.

Everybody IS playing by the same set of rules. Just because some CHOOSE to use alternative tools to track their drivers' HOS doesn't mean the rules of the game have changed. They CHOSE to use e-logs because they viewed it as being advantageous to their operation. Then they realize that perhaps that CHOICE wasn't working out as well as they had planned, but they can't go back to paper because that would be admitting they made a mistake....so they try to FORCE their competition to abide by the same business decision they made for their own operation. It is no different than their push for speed limiters. If they want to govern their own trucks below the speed limit, that is fine...but don't start crying "unfair" when I pass your 62 mph speed-limited truck on a 70 mph highway. The rules of the game are what the LAW says they are. If a company chooses to operate under stricter, less productive rules, it is their right to do so. It is NOT their right to demand that I also abide by their ridiculous choices.

The rules DO apply to everyone equally. Get caught in violation of the HOS and the fine is the same, whether you are on e-logs or paper. Get caught speeding 62 in a 45 mph construction zone and the fine is the same whether your truck is wide open or you are speed limited to 62 mph. Personally, I think speeding penalties should be tripled for the driver and x100 to the carrier if the driver was caught speeding while driving at the governed speed of the truck, because most of the time that driver is trying to make up for "lost time" spent driving below the speed limit elsewhere. Same with e-logs...I've lost track of how many times a truck with the "driver using e-logs" sticker on the door passed me at a rate far in excess of the speed limit because they HAD to get so far down the road and couldn't afford to "waste" driving time in those slower towns & work zones.

Fine. YOU are lame and lazy. YOU can make the CHOICE to put an EOBR in YOUR truck. That does not give you the right to DEMAND that I also put one in MY truck.

My truck will never have an EOBR installed in it. If I'm mowing the yard on Sunday afternoon and need to move the truck in order to mow where it is sitting, what I'm doing has NOTHING to do with the truck. Why should I have to worry about that EOBR showing an interruption in my 34 hour break? Grandpa retired from this industry when the CDL mandate took effect, and I'll have no problem following his lead if an across-the-board EOBR mandate ever passes judicial review. The FMCSA still has to write the regulation, though, and before it goes into effect the EOBR manufacturers will have to develop a device which meets the specifications laid out in the highway bill. As of now, NONE of them do. Then, the courts will have their say. All of that takes time...so it isn't anything to worry about yet.

 

It will end being that you will need to get e-logs I see it coming anyhow what I would like to see us it linked up with DOT and would flag a driver for going over there time.
after working and TX and seeing all the truck crashes from sleepy drivers hot off the oil Fields it needs to be done.
I am moving back to VT because I do not like the way we are pushed with Dispach even with e-logs I had a dispatcher #### with my e-log so I cud hit a dead line it was do it out look for work but if it was linked right up to DOT would solve the problem with dispatcher pushing the hell out of you and DOT would flag you and know ur GPS Location and pull you over


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The HOS in tx is 12D 15ON 8OFF 70 a week and u don't like it I have 8hrs to drive home eat see the wife and kids sleep and drive to work it really sucks but if you are OTR You get 10 hr off


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Hell no I don't want ANY computer link in my truck directly to DOT. Talk about destroying your constitutional rights on the spot.


Jeez are people that dense that you cannot see that every step you take to this is George Orwell's 1984? Next you will be getting told how to wipe your butt and when.