Dog eat Dog mentality....

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by bullhaulerswife, Aug 4, 2009.

  1. Randall

    Randall Light Load Member

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    LOL, Well put!
     
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  3. DoubleDear

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    From reading what you wrote, Bullhaulerswife,

    I am Not saying this is the case for your situation.. but brokers do cut throat on drivers too.
    Many times a broker may say , " Oh the shipper canceled on the load"., when in reality the broker has given the load to another driver.

    What I'm saying is, for one example, if a driver can't get there to the shipper quick enough,, a broker has many times , given the load to another driver.

    Are you sure it wasn't the broker who did this?
    Are they a general freight broker? or a dedicated broker to the company.?

    I've heard of brokers having a dedicated load, giving it to a dedicated consignee, and then after a few runs, turn around and give it to another carrier.

    It's one thing if you have a contract with a customer to ship their freight. But it's an all together different agenda when you're shipping a load through a "Broker".
    Brokers are Brokers. That's just what they are. They're not committed to anyone. A broker will not tell you he gave the load to someone else. And then there's cases where brokers cut throat with other brokers. Two or more brokers working on the same loads. That happens a lot too.

    And then again, this may not be your case of what happened.

    Your husband should have questioned that driver, from whom he got the authority to pick that load up. That would have answered his question.
     
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  4. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    I'm pretty sure that he's dedicated to this company, because most loads hubby hauls are from this company, and usually inter company shipments.

    In other words, this place was the first stage blending center and the load goes to the second stage blending center.

    Hubby has hauled these loads every week. And if there are other trucks there, they are our trucks. Its always been that way.

    Here's what I think happened. One O/O moved to a company and LEASE on with them. I think that he disclosed this account to that company, and they tried to slip in there to get the account.
     
  5. DoubleDear

    DoubleDear Light Load Member

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    Never heard of a company going that far. You CANNOT JUST SLIP IN.

    You have to have an Actual Signed Contract either through the shipper themselves or a Broker. You cannot just go in with just a pickup number without having a signed contract for that load..
    There would be big time Lawsuits going on.. That's why we have and run on Contracts.
    I don't think any trucking companies would go that far, no matter how desperate they are.!
     
  6. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Read back in the thread. There were no pickup numbers, before this happened. Because it was our account. There's no mistaking our trailers, believe me.

    Someone honestly tried to slip in and TAKE the loads. Now we have to have pickup numbers.

    Because Tom had that heart attack, no one there was paying any attention to the trucks coming in. When the office got the billing for the loads that we didn't haul from the other company, they brought it to our brokers attention. He didn't authorize that company to haul those loads. Those loads are CONTRACTED to our broker and his trucks.

    So now, no pickup number, no load.
     
  7. brsims

    brsims Road Train Member

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    Sounds like somebody has some shady dealings going on here. I would think SOMEBODY in the office has noticed different drivers showing up. I start looking awound, and talking to a lawyer (read: slimeball, but occassionally useful) about breach of contract.
     
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  8. bullhaulerswife

    bullhaulerswife Forum Leader/Admin Staff Member Administrator

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    Hahaha the office personnel in that place is only there to get a paycheck. She could care less about what trucks are in and out of there. It was corporate office that caught it, not her. But I'm sure she got a talking to over it. :biggrin_25525:
     
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  9. 359kool

    359kool Light Load Member

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    Oh Heck Yeah.. :yes2557: There was no need to point out that a broker will hunch a trucker.. Anybody that didn't know that.. Well.. They prolly don't know what hunchin is either.. :sex:

    Hauling pulp wood.. logs .. dump trailer hauling.. mostly local stuff really.. around here alot of times there is no contracts.. but unless they are real hard up.. most of the time a mutual understanding can be found even between competitors.. as in what the buisness end of a Smith & Wesson can do if they get to hard up.. :smt071:smt067:smt066
     
  10. DoubleDear

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    Right , you don't neccessarily need a pick-up number for a load, but there has got to be a signed Contract between two parties.

    Because someone has to be Responsible for hauling that load leaving the Shippers place.
    That's the purpose of having an " Authority" .
    A Shipper Would Not Have Someone to Haul "Their" Product without Cargo Insurance.
    Someone has to be Responsible and Pay for that Load,
    in case something happened to that load., that it got lost or damaged.
    So It is either the Trucking Company as the Carrier or the Broker who takes Responsibilty for Coverage on that Load. And that's where a Contract comes in.

    What has happened, is easier "said " than done. There's probably a lot more behind that story .
    If someone came in and just took the load underneath another, without a contractual commitment, than this country can do without Laws and the Federal Motor Carrier Act.

    And I surely wouldn't want to be in the shippers shoes having someone haul my product without Insurance covering it.
    We've bought ourselves a whole load of Cantaloupes to sell and lost 2800 of them, and am thankful for the cargo insurance covering it.

    And for a company to just sneak in and take over a load, won't get very far without a contract. And besides that, they can have a hefty law suit filed against them and have their Authority revoked. Who in the world would do a dumb act like that?
     
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  11. LPGregory

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    I think that the shipper or reciever should just thank that trucking company for picking up and delivering those loads as a "charitable" act, out of the goodness of their hearts. The argument being since they did not have a contract, were not called to come in and pick up any loads and were not asked in any way to be involved in any manner then these weres spur of the moment acts of charity on their part and not entitled to recieve compensation!!

    LPG.
     
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