Dog eat Dog mentality....

Good One LPGregory! I like your comment> an act of kindness! Ha, ha, ha,

Without a Contract, the shipper doesn't have to pay them.

Let us know what you find out BullHaulerswife. This would make a good soap opera.


Calling ALL Lawyers! Heres' one up for you!

 

Most excellent! That'll show those no good freight theives!

 

I agree with LP
Someone had to authorize those loads.
No contract, no pay.

 

I agree with that. On another note I just skimed thourgh this thread but I seen something about .65cpm if thats the case be glad they stole it and any fool running for that wont be running long.

 

To anybody that believes there has to a contract in place to haul freight.. listen up.. you are goofy..

You must be confusing a contract with a bill of lading or something to account for the load on your truck if you are for hire..

Its nobodys buisness if you have a contract in place or don't.. who cares.. what is it good for.. if there is a shipper that requires this.. you can bet its not for the truckers benefit.. but.. be my guest.. sign away and when fuel jumps over your head.. and you didn't cover you butt.. you will be forced out of buisness with your signed contract..

And before you even think about coming back at me with any more of this legal talk.. I'm not saying what anybody else can't do.. just what they can.. but really.. I couldn't care less..

And Cargo Ins. is often required by a broker or shipper.. but do you actually think that a landfill is going to care if a 53' walking floor running garbage from NYC to PA dumps his load in the median in NJ ????? I can guarantee you that some of those hands don't even know what Cargo Ins. is..

There is enough legal BS in trucking as it is.. so please.. don't try be a contributer..
Better yet.. get you a log wagon and pick your spot in the southeastern US.. and go into the woods to the "shipper" and tell that logger he must sign your contract.. You will be lucky if he doesn't wipe his butt with you and your contract just before he calls another outfit to haul his wood..

Only reason I even wrote this though.. Is because I don't recall anyone here saying what type of loads.. not that it matters.. but I thought I remembered Bullerhaulerswife talking about hoppers in another thread somewhere before.. If so.. Their loads are usually just a little different than your usual general freight there Pedro..

 

It is hopper loads. I agree with you on the signed contract. We have to sign a contract to haul for grain company. That doesn't mean they won't drop you in a minute for some else and a cheaper rate. What are you going to do hire a lawyer take them to court. That would cost.

Even if everything was all legal, they sometimes have in there could be voided by either party with 30 day notice.

 

Yes it does matter what type of freight you haul..
If you have a load that has NO VALUE to it, you cannot get Cargo Insurance to cover that load.
I know, cause we've already tried it years ago with scrap cars.

Any Load that has a Value to it must be covered under Cargo Insurance through an insurance company. That's the Law.

You don't ask for a contract. The Shipper will give a contract to the Broker or Trucking Company. Making them responsible for their commodity that you will be hauling , after they show proof of their Authority, that shows them carrying a certain limit of cargo insurance. They do this normally by fax or email with a signed name holding them responsible for the load, before that load is moved. After that's all said and done, then you get the info on picking up the load and the bill of lading for that load. And besides that, the contract states what the shipper is paying . So the contract works both ways. Just in case they don't pay the amount of what they said.

I know, for we had to do this with all our own customers( shippers) that we had. Even with produce. Produce can go bad. You would really be out of business, if that produce went bad under your care, and you had to pay for the whole load out of your pocket. That's why it's a law to have a contract and to carry cargo insurance . The more the value of the commodity, the higher coverage you need to carry.
Yes, I wouldn't want to ruin my business and run without a contract and not carry the proper insurance for a shipper, and have to pay out 20, 30,000 out of my own pocket for a lost load. I've seen that happen one to many times with others.

What shipper wouldn't care about losing their product and not get reiumbersed for it ? If something happens to that load.

You need to get your Federal motor carrier little book out and read what it says about operating under Authority. Rather than shooting your mouth off and talking the bull about your street smarts, mr kool.

 

Alright.. Get your last thrill here because you are trying to put a gay spin on this thread by arguing from your "Federal Motor carrier little book" as you call it.. I have a "Federal Motor Carrier SAFETY Regulations Pocketbook" but don't need it for this debate.. Just as well.. I don't need a log book to know when I want to take a nap either.. But I'm guessing you do and are getting off on all the publicity..
So sit back and relax and I'll take apart your post here for your own personal enjoyment..

No it doesn't.. What matters is whose product you are hauling..

I can't kiss my own rear either.. but I know others who can..
NEVER say what an insurance company can't do.. because it is second only to credit cards for some of the worst deals ever..
If you have the money for a premium.. you can insure your load of BS if you want to.. You just need to find an agent that can service your needs..

There is NO SUCH LAW.. You will have to get specific here to argue if it is even required..
Every load has a value to it unless you haul it for free..
In this case there is a lack of any details.. probably wise.. because somebody is DOING all these things you keep saying can't happen.. Maybe they are just Somalia Pirates..

O.K.. This bold statement here exposes your narrow crack..
Nobody is questioning that when you book a load with a broker.. The normal procedure is to fax a rate confirmation over with the brokers specific repuirements and load details.. Sign it.. Send it back.. How many contracts have you sent the broker to sign in order to protect yourself as a trucker ????? And yes they require you to "setup".. Regarding your insurance and other credentials to qualify you for their freight.. Also they usually prevent you from going around them for a year or so after you have the shippers info.. But your only option will be to sue them in small claims court if they stiff you.. So your contract is usually worthless unless you are willing to spend more time and money than the original load payed.. to what usually is a case of the broker filing bankruptcy only to return later under another name..

So.. I'm guessing either you are a broker or this must be your only experience.. because there are many other types of hauling that are handled alot different..
I don't know everything.. but I'm positive now that I know more than you do..

In this statement here you seem to understand the fundamentals of cargo insurance.. Good for you.. Nobody asked.. Nobody cares..
I'm just glad that you contradicted yourself in this argument by pointing out that you can haul without your beloved cargo insurance and toilet paper contracts.. As you have seen it yourself because they had an incident and didn't have any.. How did this happen ?????

As I stated before.. I'm not saying what anybody can't do.. Only what they can..

If you are from Harrisburg PA.. Go to the Wilco off Interstate 81 at exit 77 and roll down your window.. drive around until you see or smell a load of household garbage and start unloading it and see what happens.. Or just look back to your own experience with crushed cars and you will have your answers..
There are plenty of loads that aren't worth the time I am wasting here to give you something to pleasure yourself to later on..

If somehow I am ever abducted and sent through a CDL mill to be a professional driver.. "complete with cell phone head gear.. faggy fingerless gloves and dress myself in the proper slouch uniform.." and I find myself in a situation where I need the FMCSA pocketbook to rescue me.. I will realize that I'm gay and I will go to the appropriate place to express this..

Until then.. I hope you learn to pick your battles more carefully.. I know its not very nice to point it out this way.. but there really is no glory in arguing when the other side can't understand the argument..

I'm not personally involved in what originally started this thread.. The way I run my buisness isn't interesting or important here.. but again.. For your satisfaction only .. I currently haul relatively expensive products on a flatbed and I operate close to the way you have described.. but over the years.. I have hauled a variety of products.. from worthless storm debris in a dump trailer.. to pulling sealed containers that all I knew about the contents was that it's a hazmat load.. :smt066

Word of advice to anyone who still don't understand..

If you don't fancy fighting losing battles.. Don't mistake trucking for an industry.. Deregulation happened about 30 years ago because it was way to complex to handle as a whole.. I don't mean to debate the consequences of this either.. Just understand how complicated the rule book would have be to cover every aspect and deal with every exception of moving everything..
The IRS would look simple compared to this..

So don't come on here yelling out like "Chicken Little" that you can't do that because of this.. without knowing all the details.. Which in this case are not posted.. probably to prevent advertising their hauling to anymore cut throats that may be hoping to get lucky here and score..

 

The last broker I hauled for wanted proof of 1 million dollar liability ins. It didnt matter if I hauled a 4x4 or a crane. I dont recall signing any contract with the broker at all. Seems to me that would be between the shipper and the broker.