Dot Hos Question

What are you driving and how far away(straight line) is the furthest business you service from your origin point??

 

Less than 50 miles makes logging irrelevant
Just need to keep time card
Start/Finish
As for as for 60/7 or 70/8
Choice is yours
Use whichever worx for you
Ooops one thing I didn’t ask...
Do you cross a state (s) line??
And Yes you can work another job...theoretically your sposed to count all working hours together
As for other carriers...that is using the transit ban to haul others goods...as in for hire

 

If vehicles roll 7 days. 70/8 applies.
If vehicles roll 6 days. 60/7 applies.

 

OP, you are overthinking all of it.

First it doesn't matter if it a non-cdl van, if it is under 10,000 lbs GVWR, then you are in a van.

So ... You are in a van, without hazmat, no HOS is needed.

Period.

Expediters travel hundreds of mile and only when there is a hazmat load is when they log.

NOW here is the catch, it gets more complicated with the over 10,001 lb GVWR van, this is where it goes down two paths, one is under 100/150 air radius and the other is over.

Over you will have to log, under you won't.

AND if you do have to log, all work time no matter what job you are working at goes against the HOS clock, ALL. HOURS.

The bigger question is this - does it really matter?

Nope, not really because the states could say intrastate - no logging for delivery vans.

 

I am looking into some of this as well. I got hired on to haul a flatbed with crane parts to the job site (all less than the 100 mi). Once on site I will be working on the ground rigging. What I researched is that the 11 hours still apply and I can only work 14 per day with 10 off. The way this is tracked as opposed to a log is my timecard and the 8/70 will still apply. If I am incorrect, please let me know.

 

If you are required to have a CDL and operate under HOS, then all work done for compensation counts against your 60/70 hour clock. It doesn't matter if you work as a cashier, hotel maid, bouncer at a bar, or speed bump. ALL WORK done for compensation.

 

Crossing a state border has not mattered to the FEDERAL Short-Haul HOS in decades. I'm not saying it NEVER did, but it has not mattered since maybe the 1990s or 2000s. If someone is using their own state's HOS that is a different matter and I'm not talking about that.

 

You need to distinguish between WORK and DRIVING. You can WORK 24 hrs a day and 365 days a year and never violate HOS, as long as you don't DRIVE. HOS only limits when you can DRIVE, not when you can WORK.

You can rig and run a crane all week for as many hours as you want. Those hours have to be logged, and when you drive, those hours have to stay under the 70/14/11/8 hr clocks.

As said, ANY compensated work counts as "on duty" and much be logged as such, but the HOS do not limit the amount of on duty time, just driving.