DOT physical/seizure

Discussion in 'Motor Carrier Questions - The Inside Scoop' started by jayo2009, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. jayo2009

    jayo2009 Bobtail Member

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    A couple years ago i had a seizure, no doctor could figure out what caused it. My stupid self got the idea to go try getting my CDL and no think that my medication would show up as a controlled substance. Needless to say i failed the physical and my dream of being a truck driver is being delayed. :biggrin_2557: I was taking the test at C1 in indianapolis, IN. The main question is, if i wait a couple more years til i get off the medication and see that i have no more seizures, can i try for my CDL again. Knowing technically you have to wait 5 years after the seizure before you can try the physical again. Like if i were to go to another school, could they track my first physical down and see that i failed it. Hopefully i explained with enough detail
     
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  3. Squirel

    Squirel Crusty Critter

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    Im so sorry to hear of your seizure.
    Hope you are persistant in clearing up your failed physical. If you ARE prescribed medication for the specific type of controlled substance, that should turn out ok.
    So theres no reason then to worry about a failed physical.
    Now it sounds like you had the seizure less than 5 yrs ago?
    So talk to your dr, dot , ect. Get all the information you need to figure out when you CAN get a CDL.............IF you can.
    I never heard of a truckdriver with history of seizures. Never thought that was a possibility for person with seizures.
     
  4. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    49 CFR Part 391.41 says:

    (a)(1)(i) A person subject to this part must not operate a commercial motor vehicle unless he or she is medically certified as physically qualified to do so, and, except as provided in paragraph (a)(2) of this section, when on-duty has on his or her person the original, or a copy, of a current medical examiner's certificate that he or she is physically qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle. NOTE: Effective December 29, 1991, the FMCSA Administrator determined that the new Licencia Federal de Conductor issued by the United Mexican States is recognized as proof of medical fitness to drive a CMV. The United States and Canada entered into a Reciprocity Agreement, effective March 30, 1999, recognizing that a Canadian commercial driver's license is proof of medical fitness to drive a CMV. Therefore, Canadian and Mexican CMV drivers are not required to have in their possession a medical examiner's certificate if the driver has been issued, and possesses, a valid commercial driver license issued by the United Mexican States, or a Canadian Province or Territory and whose license and medical status, including any waiver or exemption, can be electronically verified. Drivers from any of the countries who have received a medical authorization that deviates from the mutually accepted compatible medical standards of the resident country are not qualified to drive a CMV in the other countries. For example, Canadian drivers who do not meet the medical fitness provisions of the Canadian National Safety Code for Motor Carriers, but are issued a waiver by one of the Canadian Provinces or Territories, are not qualified to drive a CMV in the United States. In addition, U.S. drivers who received a medical variance from FMCSA are not qualified to drive a CMV in Canada.(ii) A person who qualifies for the medical examiner's certificate by virtue of having obtained a medical variance from FMCSA, in the form of an exemption letter or a skill performance evaluation certificate, must have on his or her person a copy of the variance documentation when on-duty.(2) CDL exception. (i) Beginning January 30, 2014, a driver required to have a commercial driver's license under part 383 of this chapter, and who submitted a current medical examiner's certificate to the State in accordance with § 383.71(h) of this chapter documenting that he or she meets the physical qualification requirements of this part, no longer needs to carry on his or her person the medical examiner's certificate specified at § 391.43(h), or a copy for more than 15 days after the date it was issued as valid proof of medical certification. (ii) A CDL holder required by § 383.71(h) to obtain a medical examiner's certificate, who obtained such by virtue of having obtained a medical variance from FMCSA, must continue to have in his or her possession the original or copy of that medical variance documentation at all times when on-duty.(3) A person is physically qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle if:(i) That person meets the physical qualification standards in paragraph (b) of this section and has complied with the medical examination requirements in § 391.43; or(ii) That person obtained from FMCSA a medical variance from the physical qualification standards in paragraph (b) of this section and has complied with the medical examination requirement in § 391.43.(b) A person is physically qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle if that person'(1) Has no loss of a foot, a leg, a hand, or an arm, or has been granted a skill performance evaluation certificate pursuant to § 391.49;
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    (2) Has no impairment of:(i) A hand or finger which interferes with prehension or power grasping; or(ii) An arm, foot, or leg which interferes with the ability to perform normal tasks associated with operating a commercial motor vehicle; or any other significant limb defect or limitation which interferes with the ability to perform normal tasks associated with operating a commercial motor vehicle; or has been granted a skill performance evaluation certificate pursuant to § 391.49.(3) Has no established medical history or clinical diagnosis of diabetes mellitus currently requiring insulin for control;(4) Has no current clinical diagnosis of myocardial infarction, angina pectoris, coronary insufficiency, thrombosis, or any other cardiovascular disease of a variety known to be accompanied by syncope, dyspnea, collapse, or congestive cardiac failure.(5) Has no established medical history or clinical diagnosis of a respiratory dysfunction likely to interfere with his/her ability to control and drive a commercial motor vehicle safely;(6) Has no current clinical diagnosis of high blood pressure likely to interfere with his/her ability to operate a commercial motor vehicle safely;(7) Has no established medical history or clinical diagnosis of rheumatic, arthritic, orthopedic, muscular, neuromuscular, or vascular disease which interferes with his/her ability to control and operate a commercial motor vehicle safely;(8) Has no established medical history or clinical diagnosis of epilepsy or any other condition which is likely to cause loss of consciousness or any loss of ability to control a commercial motor vehicle;(9) Has no mental, nervous, organic, or functional disease or psychiatric disorder likely to interfere with his/her ability to drive a commercial motor vehicle safely;(10) Has distant visual acuity of at least 20/40 (Snellen) in each eye without corrective lenses or visual acuity separately corrected to 20/40 (Snellen) or better with corrective lenses, distant binocular acuity of at least 20/40 (Snellen) in both eyes with or without corrective lenses, field of vision of at least 70° in the horizontal Meridian in each eye, and the ability to recognize the colors of traffic signals and devices showing standard red, green, and amber;(11) First perceives a forced whispered voice in the better ear at not less than 5 feet with or without the use of a hearing aid or, if tested by use of an audiometric device, does not have an average hearing loss in the better ear greater than 40 decibels at 500 Hz, 1,000 Hz, and 2,000 Hz with or without a hearing aid when the audiometric device is calibrated to American National Standard (formerly ASA Standard) Z24.5'1951.(12)(i) Does not use any drug or substance identified in 21 CFR 1308.11 Schedule I, an amphetamine, a narcotic, or other habit-forming drug.(ii) Does not use any non-Schedule I drug or substance that is identified in the other Schedules in 21 part 1308 except when the use is prescribed by a licensed medical practitioner, as defined in §382.107, who is familiar with the driver's medical history and has advised the driver that the substance will not adversely affect the driver's ability to safely operate a commercial motor vehicle.(13) Has no current clinical diagnosis of alcoholism.

    I don't think any doctor would jepardize their practice by certifying ANYONE who had a seizure regardless of the drug treatment.
     
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  5. jayo2009

    jayo2009 Bobtail Member

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    I understand that and i had a single unprovoked seizure and the doctors couldnt find exactly what caused it after all the tests they ran, and actually according to the FMCSA, thanks for the help though

    Single Unprovoked Seizures
    While individuals who experience a single unprovoked seizure do not have epilepsy perse, they are clearly at a higher risk for having further seizures. While the overall rate occurrence is estimated to be 36 percent by 5 years following the seizure, this recurrence varies from 20 to 80 percent depending upon clinical characteristics(l8-20). After 5 years,
    the risk of recurrence is down to 2 to 3 percent per year for the total group. While more detailed analysis will identify individuals with differential risk, it would seem that individuals with a single unprovoked seizure, seizure-free for a S-year period or more, off medications, should not be restricted from obtaining a license to operate a commercial vehicle. A waiver may be considered for those individuals with a normal examination and an EEG with the absence of epileptiform activity, when examined by a neurologist specializing in epilepsy.
     
  6. bostonsteve

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    Unfortunately I have the answer to your question. The answer is no if you have any history of seizures. The reason I know are 2 reasons. My sister is epileptic and her son is as well.

    My Nephew had his first at 17, went on meds for 2 years and was cleared by the doctors about 1 year ago. He is a typical kid and searching for something to hang his hat on. I told him I was going to do this for my career change and started to look into it for him.

    I had not even done any research and he had a seizure while driving. When everything settled down and I researched it I drove through on my way to school. I had to give him the news that they will not hire anyone with a history of seizures, the risk is just too great.

    You know that what happens during a seizure is that you lose all control. Meaning that you would most likely hit the gas and speed up with no control over an 80,000 pound missile.

    My nephew had his last seizure about 8am after sleeping a full night. He was driving in a residential area. He cannot remember a thing but he hit 6 parked cars about 100 feet apart. His truck was completely totaled and thankfully no one was in any of the cars.

    He spent a week in the hospital, 2 surgeries and will be in a walker for 2 months, minimum.

    This is with the utmost respect, pick another career. Having a seizure in a truck and trailer would be sure disaster if you ever had one again.

    Here is a picture of his leg after the 2 surgeries. Knee rebuilt, both bones snapped, separated by 2" on lower leg and ankle shattered. That was his last surgery (total 2), his first was for internal bleeding. He is extremely lucky.

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