Double trouble?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by TommyTrucker88, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. TommyTrucker88

    TommyTrucker88 Light Load Member

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    Hey guys so I started my new job and am very happy with the upgrade. I thank all you that contribute and help others in this forum.

    So I pull a lot of doubles and hazmat and have some questions since I haven't gotten too much clarification about it.

    And I'd like to hear your opinions and see what tips tricks and thoughts are.

    What is the length of a pup and a set?

    What is a weight of a pup or set I should be concerned about from my bills about being overweight?

    What is the weight limits on axles when pulling pups?

    Is pulling pups threw a weight station the same procedure? ( I noticed today it seemed that last axles did not fit on scale)

    A couple GPS questions.

    So I set my GPS in truck tools for doubles and had my route changed from 120 miles to 190.
    I switched it back and drove the route for a 53 footer and had no issues or seen any restrictions on route.
    Why would doubles be needing any restrictions if they are longer but follow a shorter path then a single long trailer?
    What do you guys do with your GPS and planning when pulling sets?

    How does pulling sets and hazmat effect your routes and GPS setup?

    I was pulling non flammable gasses and did not see a option in my GPS other then other.

    What tips tricks and thought you have that you guys can give me.

    Thanks
     
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  3. jammer910Z

    jammer910Z Road Train Member

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    If you're ALREADY pulling twins you really should know your specs on your set.

    A pup is 28'
    Two of them are 56'
    Add your dolly and your cab and you're easily 75-82ft + depending upon day cab or sleeper cab.

    Some routes are restricted to single combination vehicles lengthwise but not to sets. I see this all the time.
    The longer SINGLE trailer has a longer turning radius, while the set will follow closely like a train... thus often being allowed when a 53' is not.
    What you described is opposite and is rare.. I suppose they have their reasons.

    Rand McNally makes a book with road restrictions detailed in the front for all highways in a state. It will list weight, length, and clearance.
    Don't trust that GPS or you'll not be driving as a pro for very long.
    GET AN ATLAS.

    Lots of municipalities will restrict HM routes.
    It is vital that you take note of this.
    They won't accept.. "I'm sorry".

    As a general rule you can rely on 12k for your steers
    17k for each axle.. 34k for a tandem.

    States will sometimes allow a little more on a single axle than the 17k.

    READ THE ATLAS STATE RESTRICTIONS AND GUIDELINES.
     
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  4. Radman

    Radman Road Train Member

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    Steer 12.5k 20k per single axle. 34k tandems. 80k max unless you have a permit for overweight.

    No tunnels for Haz. Read the signs it will tell you to go around on a belt route. GPS might not tell u crap might want to invest in a Truckstop atlas. I used that a lot when running OTR with Hazmat. It’s old school but the best way. Go to the wrong area and get a ticket will be very bad.
     
  5. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    If you pull HazMat Google & bookmark the National HazMat Route Registry. It links to every state's HM restricted routes. BTW very, very few routes prohibit HM. Sevetal states have zero restrictions, while many states only have 1 or 2.

    Beware of Arizona & Ohio if you pull HazMat & have PrePass. You still have to cross the scales, if they are open, regardless if PrePass green light. I think AZ fine is $600.
     
  6. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    AZ PrePass means go in AZ.
     
  7. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Not necessarily.

    Look at the PA Turnpike for example. They pretty much only disallow Table 1 or Table 2 with bulk packaging.
     
  8. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Does your outfit have a scale in the yard?

    If so, use it for every load.
     
  9. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I always bypassed the Az scale when placarded. But when a guy I know got a ticket in Arkansas for bypassing the Hope scale when placarded and the cop gave him a PrePass pamphlet, According the the pamphlet both Arizona and Arkansas want you to come in when placarded whether you get the green light or not.
    http://prepass.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/PP_BypassRestrictions_20171121.pdf
     
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  10. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    Hmmmm. I asked bear at the scale house, and he told me follow signal lol.
     
  11. truckdriver31

    truckdriver31 Road Train Member

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    no dont listen to him. get 4 cats,2 dogs, family size bags of chips, and 2 7" gps and cell phone holder. oh and 4 outward and inward facing cameras. 3 94oz truckers mugs with free refills at pilot,loves. when you have spent your whole paycheck and used all your points. Then place all of the above items on the windshield and dash. then create a youtube channel and make trucker videos.
     
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