Double Yellow's Company Driver to Independent Thread

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  1. double yellow

    double yellow Road Train Member

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    Good news: I have 3 inspections as a carrier so now Con-Way & the like can use me.

    Bad news: Caught the Moorhead, MN scalemaster on a bad day and he put me out of service for log falsification.

    What?!

    The walk-around went well (though no stickers given), but his demeanor changed when he went over my logs and asked for my toll, scale, & fuel receipts. There were no toll roads, I haven't hauled anything over 15,000 lbs in the last week, & I get electronic fuel receipts from fleet one.

    Instantly he went from friendly smiling monitor of highway safety to a warden tossing a cell. "Open that clipboard!" -- a couple pens and a notebook. "Grrrr -- let me see your license!" -- I open my wallet and pull it out. "Ah hah!" he shouts spotting a wadded up cat scale ticket behind my cash -- "let me see that scale receipt!" So I hand it to him and he frowns. I'm not sure which displeased him more, the fact my weights were legal or the fact it was from April...

    "Wait here," he says, and goes inside with my logs and bills. 20 minutes later he comes out with a violation -- smiling because he just knew I was up to no good with my lack of receipts. "This BOL was printed at 1230 but you weren't there until 330! " I look it over and shrug. So? "Well obviously you were there at 1230!"

    I was there at 330 and I'm not liking where this is heading so I take a closer look. This load has 2 stops, & 2 BOLs. One does indeed have a 1230 05/26 timestamp. The other is timestamped from 05/18. They were printed before I arrived. They don't even list me as the carrier -- a legitimate violation to which he is blind, because he is so convinced I'm a log cheat (The absurdity is I had 35 hours remaining on my 70 and 1200 miles to go in over 2 days).

    I point out the other BOL print date and told him I certainly didn't sit in a dock for 9 days, so he says "Fine, I'll call them," -- and gets out his phone, eyes me giving him the "please do" look, and then he walks back to his office so I can't overhear.

    He comes back a few minutes later saying "they just confirmed they printed this at 1230." Yeah, we knew that, but did they tell you I was there at 1230? ... silence.

    "Well I'm still writing you up for today." What for? "You started driving at 930 and you crossed my scale at 9:47 and I know it is 30 miles from here to there."

    'Well,' I explain, 'I left at 925 and I wasn't in the city center, I was at the truckstop at the very edge of town.' I pull out my phone, load google maps, put 1 pin at the truckstop and 1 pin at the scale and calculate. 21 miles, 18 minutes it says.

    "I know it takes 30 minutes!" he fumes. I ask if I may speak to someone else and he says "No! If you want to dispute it, there's a message on the bottom of the form" and he hands me my dirty inspection report.

    2 violations: falsification of drivers record of duty & logs not current. 'What is this about logs not being current?' I ask. He smiles venomously. "You failed to change your status from driving to on duty when I began my inspection." I blink in disbelief. He had climbed up on my steps --while I was still on the scale-- and asked for my logbook (back when he was still friendly highway monitor). I was behind the wheel with released brakes!

    I am always quick to defend officers on TTR -- they do a thankless job. And many in my family are in law enforcement. I've had 6 inspections and dealt with a number of officers on other occasions, and all have been honest and fair. Until now. I guess 1 out of 20 or so isn't bad -- certainly better than the ratio of ####### truckers. But now I was pissed.

    I was ready to go to court. EASY case. Slam dunk. Then I look around for the court date... There isn't one. No fine either. That's strange? I read the fine print -- disputes must be made through the FMCSA dataQ system. Hmm, I've heard nothing but bad things about DataQ, but I'll see for myself.

    There is an online form and a field to explain why you want a review. I make my case. Well-written and impeccably reasoned, I framed it as an honest mistake by the officer (instead of lambasting him for the Barney Fife that he is). I attach photos of the BOLs, my logs, and a screenshot from google maps showing 18 minutes -- not 30. I click submit.

    I spent over an hour writing & editing and taking photos of my paperwork and uploading, but I had taken too long and the fmcsa logged me out. Now I'm the one GRRRRRing. I write it up again, even better this time, and save a copy before I submit... Timed out again, but now -- on my 3rd attempt -- I can copy and paste.

    I do, it accepts, but as if to prevent me even that small victory, it removes all formatting from my appeal. 15 spaced & logically arranged paragraphs become one giant wall of text. I know I wouldn't want to read that, but let's hope the person who reviews it understands.

    Then I get an email confirmation. I read it in disbelief. My case has been assigned to.... drumroll please... the Minnesota Highway Patrol.

    Really FMCSA?!

    I am appealing my case, one which can affect whether certain customers will use me and what I will pay for insurance, to the agency from which I seek an appeal?

    What the ####?!

    You don't let Mayberry PD investigate when a Mayberry officer screws up. You call in the sheriff, or the staties, or even the fbi because you know about the blue wall of silence and you want to at least give the appearance of objectivity. Unreal.

    So I am not optimistic about my chances on appeal. And this horrendously flawed appeal is final. There is no one farther up the ladder...

    Worst of all, I had just started my day after a refreshing 10 hour break. Now I get to sit around trying to sleep for another 10 hours before racing off to make my Friday morning appointment 1200 miles away. Not only will this supposed 15 minute violation create driver fatigue where there was none, I can now kiss Goodbye to my 30-day 9+mpg average. And I won't have time to go around the toll roads. GRRRRRRR

    With a reefer sure. I wouldn't load wet trees on ice into a wood-floored dry van I cared about...
     
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  3. Knucklehead

    Knucklehead Road Train Member

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    Try speaking slowly to the scalemaster... I'd like to speak to your SU-PER-VI-SOR, PU-LEEZE.
     
  4. ReeferOhio

    ReeferOhio Medium Load Member

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    That is the flaw with FMCSA and inspections. All things have a common problem, people. It's unacceptable the scrutiny the industry is under, when the people doing inspection interpret everything to their own standards. I feel for you, and hope for a positive outcome.
     
  5. Terry270

    Terry270 Road Train Member

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    What a ####ing pos. You showed him on google maps that you were accurate and he still wrote that ####? Some people need to get shot.

    I would call OOIDA in the morning to see if they have any suggestions
     
  6. FatDaddy

    FatDaddy Road Train Member

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    I've heard horror stories about Minnesota. Probably a reason I haven't been there in over 3 years
     
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  7. truckon

    truckon Swamp Thing

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    Minnesota tried to pull that crap on me once, I had dropped and reloaded in Maryland. 15 mins between drop and pick, they claimed the two towns were two hours apart. I laughed and said Id be out of the state of Maryland in two hours, its a small state. Then I did Google maps and it showed them being 12 mins apart, when I showed him the Officer shrugged and told me to go on my way.
     
  8. Oscar the KW

    Oscar the KW Going Tarpless

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    That scale is notorious for shady #### like that. I refuse to cross it.
     
  9. Skate-Board

    Skate-Board Road Train Member

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    Not sure if some of you remember but Minnesota DOT was putting drivers out of service for all sorts of things. One was a picture of Saddam. If you looked like him the driver must be over tired and put OOS.

    OOIDA got involved and took them to court. Minnesota tried to say, ok, never mind. OOIDA was like a pit bull and screwed them until the very end.

    http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=23201#.VWaBQFLLLuc

    If you type this into Google you can see all sorts of info on it. "OOIDA v. Minnesota State Patrol"




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  10. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    Sorry to hear about the bad inspection. I haven't had to deal with DataQ, but here's my thoughts on appealing this: keep it simple and on topic. Too much detail makes people's eyes roll no matter how stuffed with truth it is.

    On the logbook not current, one sentence. I was on the scale, brakes off, and still "driving." Following that was not given the opportunity to update.

    On the falsification, did you make a check call upon departing the shipper? Send any email? Call anyone? Sing in sheet at the shipping desk? Security gate logs? Anything that might back up your true departure time. Of course it might help to have any other times for the past week lined up to establish a pattern of honest time reporting. But I wouldn't bring that week thing up unless asked or nothing solid on the departure time.

    You didn't get a court date because there was no citation issued. On purpose so you can't argue it in court. That's how they roll.

    If OOIDA can't offer much help, try your home state motor carrier enforcement. Early on, I had an incorrectly recorded equipment violation in PA that got discussed during my new entrant audit. Problem was, it was a violation only a flatbed would get and we have only reefers. Oh yeah, and it was 7 points and the correct violation was 1 point. Oops. Anyway, somehow the Georgia officer got it fixed. Then after two years it vanished.

    The good news is yours adds up to 12 points. It's really nothing. The OOS might be an issue, but it's one in a row. So worst case, it's a blemish, not a disaster.

    That reminds me. I need to clean out my briefcase and expanding file.
     
  11. Skate-Board

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    Yup!!!! NO S***

    Minnesota hates truck drivers!
     
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