Driver's Time Record Question(s)

Absolutely, if you drive a CMV (10,001 or higher) and carry property no matter how you are paid, that time MUST be recorded.

 

eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations

Part 395.2 has the definition of on duty
Part 395.3 is Max driving time (property)
Part 395.8 is the logging requirements.
Part 395.11 is required supporting documents

From 395.1...
(e) Short-haul operations—(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §§395.8 and 395.11 if:

Now, that does not exempt 395.2 which defines on duty time (among others.) It also does not exempt 395.3, which is the hos. You still have to follow the clocks like the 11 and 70. Heck, even the 30 minute isn't exempted by that regulation. It has it's own exemption under 395.3

Now, if you are so adamant the requirement is there, why not read 395 and point out where it says the driver must carry that documation. Keep in mind all of 395.8 and 395.11 are exempt... It can't be in those sections.

 

Darn Moose! And you thought I over complicated the issue by merely asking the question “Just a thought but why not use the Regulations rather than an article from a company whose author is mistaken?“

 

So you believe they are less prone to errors concerning the Regs than the regs themselves?

Apparently and obviously not on this issue.

Nope

Again nope. I said nothing about a logbook.

Not correct. There is no Reg requiring a driver utilizing the short haul exemption to generate, retain, maintain or have anything in his possession.The "DOT guy" is obliged to follow the regulations and cannot create his own regulations on the fly because he believes it should be that way.

And unknown to you is my history or bona fides.

Your company can require of their drivers as they please as long as they do the minimum required by the regs.

Sounds like a reasonable system for a company to have, not required by the Regs, but if they take that approach that's fine. The company can require their driver to be "ABSOLUTELY responsible for keeping that days info available for DOT inspection", but the regs do not ABSOLUTELY require it..

 

Maybe this will help, then again, maybe not.
I use to run for FedEx Ground running a route delivering packages. In the morning we would sign into our scanners, do pretrip etc. similar to elogs. We did not have to have the last seven days on us per se but the terminal did keep track of HOS. As a matter of fact during peak (Christmas time) there was a week that I was told that I only had 3-4 hours left that I could run. With that said, you are still under DOT and HOS regulations but it is not required that the driver keep a log of any kind. It is up to the terminal/business to keep track of those records and provide them should they need to.
They are also responsible for putting trucks out of service for any mechanical issues etc.

 

I guess I could sit here and link to at least 50 threads where obscure sections of title 49CFR are debated to the point of ad nauseam! I can't help but remember one of the last parts of the movie "War Games" where the computer after hundreds of games of tic tac toe and countless Nuclear War scenario's determines the winning move is not to play. Folks title 49CFR much like all the other regulations is the bureaucrat's playground. It is they that write them and it is they that define their meaning. I know of several examples of places where the FMCSA rules has conflicting rules. What most people don't understand is company (A) out in California can contact an FMCSA district office out there for guidance on an issue and company B up in Michigan can contact their local FMCSA office ON THE SAME RULE AND GET A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION. <<I have seen this with my own eyes. Look to the guidance the FMCSA has added to their database. This is where you can get the way they want it done. On this note, you guys have fun with your wee weeing contest and maybe we will see who's urine goes higher, as for me I'm out of it!

 

If You work more than 12 hrs on the clock, A log record is required.I used to work 60 hrs in 4 days on the clock. Nothing’s changed in the rules, (60 hr 7 day schedule)

 

You people are nutcases. Like moose I'm outta here.