Driving on highway with lights

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by D16, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. animal control

    animal control Medium Load Member

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    Slower acceleration maintains higher intake vacume inches, is the reason,for better MPG.This is fact and goes back to day one.Some old Iron had vacume(economy) gauges from the factory.And keep-it in the "Sweet Spot" when cruizin.
     
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  3. MickeyFIN

    MickeyFIN Light Load Member

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    Vacuum in a DIESEL ?

    Let me be the first to tell you..There ain´t NO VACUUM in a Diesel...
    You claiming that slow aqcceleration with a diesel gets you better mileage are dead wrong.
    D16 hit in aå+on the nail already so it´s a waste to argue IMO.
    Now a Gasoline engine you have to find the sweet spot where the A/F ratio is highest comparwed to the best acceleration per BSFC (Brake Specific fuel Consumption... A Dyno term for those who doesn´t operate Dynos...)
     
  4. animal control

    animal control Medium Load Member

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    YES.Intake vacume is what a naturally aspirated of either gas or diesel operates on.Turbo and blower boost come into play later.This is fact.Without a doubt.
    The accel question/anwser is more important with a unit that stops often.
    The "Sweet Spot" Gas or diesel is the RPM where the peak torque is produced.
    Another benifit of smart operation is longer engine life.$
    I know what I say.No Body can change facts...
    Happy Motoring!
     
  5. footz

    footz Bobtail Member

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    I can speak to the gas/car side of this, definitely. There are
    two major sources of friction/resistance in most gas engines --
    piston sliding friction (and a minor component from bearings,
    valvetrain, etc), and pumping losses from sucking against the
    throttle plate. The answer to item 1 is to slide the pistons
    and parts less often, i.e. lower RPM. The answer to item 2 is
    to get the throttle wider open. In a car, low RPM / high torque
    is the most efficient state an engine can run in, and is largely
    counterintuitive to the drivers because they expect the engine
    to rev up when they put their foot in it. The magic, then, is
    to run the gears very early in the game and keep the high
    shaft load. So no, you don't want the egg under your foot,
    you want to make the engine WORK but then keep it in check
    with the mechanical load.

    It's harder in an automatic transmission, but one can eventually
    get a feel for just how hard they can push before a downshift
    and once you go into TC lockup, it's easier.

    You don't get throttling loss in a diesel, but I expect the
    overall methodology is pretty much the same. The few things
    I've read about high-MPG driving in a truck spell out the
    same sort of thinking. Naturally, if you're accelerating in
    higher gears, patience becomes the prime virtue but honestly,
    you don't lose nearly as much overall time as it might feel
    like. THAT myth has been long since busted.

    -f
     
  6. MickeyFIN

    MickeyFIN Light Load Member

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    Fact without a doubt is a Diesel doesn´t produce any vacuum as there Ain´t no butterflies in the intake to cause any restriction.
    Checks your facts...
    Have you ever tried to measure Vacuum in a diesel...
    Do that I´m waiting but I ain´t holding my breath.




    Sure you do sure you do...now whos gonna prove your wrong regarding Vacuum in a diesel..you yourself or someone else gonna make you look ..well not educated at least.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold_vacuum

    Know thats a basic fact to know if you´ve ever done anything around engines that diesels do not have Vacuum.

    IMo you ainb´t got a clue what you´re talking about either..have you actually taken a tesat and measured your consumpitons while driving ?
    I´ve used gas flow meters for a few years.. done the tests with an instructor and log constantly my Mpg´s.. sofar I´ve been using 3 glns less than another similar loaded truck with similar horsepower but a more fuel stingy brand.
     
  7. D16

    D16 Light Load Member

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    It's look like a politician speech-sooner yes,but may be no.:biggrin_25521:Can you please explain simplier-how loaded truck have to reach speed limit and why?
     
  8. Brickman

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    From Gary IN to Ft Wayne IN you can take either US 30 or I-80 over to I-69 south.
    Staying on the interstate was more miles, US 30 had all low speed limit and lots of stop lights.
    MPGs on US 30 was AT LEAST .5 lower than running the interstate. I figured it all up and running the big road made more $$$ sense even with paying tolls. And plus you have less drive train wear from all the starting off and less brake wear from all the stopping.
     
  9. D16

    D16 Light Load Member

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    I remember I-30,it's always has traffic cause drivers trying to avoid tolls.And you are right-with current fuel prices better and cheaper to use toll road.:biggrin_2556:
     
  10. animal control

    animal control Medium Load Member

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    Trucking is a giving job.You give,give & give.
    Nice going Mickey Fin..Keep up the Good Work.
    I also TAKE this moment to say,Jack Rabbit starts waste fuel.& I have never in a thousand years EVER rode outa the Windy to The Fort I80/I69.
    Trucking is A Giving Job !
     
  11. MickeyFIN

    MickeyFIN Light Load Member

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    Depends what you mean by jack rabbit starts...I suppose you mean going up in Rpms in the lower gears.
    Now a brisk start saves fuel but brisk for me is to use the highest possible gear to get moving without stalling..usually thats 3rd or 5th. (in a 16 speed). then go up to 1500rpm and no more...still foot on the floor until you reach the speed where rpms hit 1000-1100 in high gear.
    My average recently with my rig was 6.5mpg with and 8 axle (remember every axle equals about 6000lbs ) that has an Tare (empty) weight of 57+lbs.. fully loaded at 140+.
    I wasn´t fully loaded most of the time thou 1/3rd of the trip yes but others was around 30tn.
     
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