Driving on Private Property

first of all you have left out pertinent details. what does he want you to drive..a yard horse making moves for the company, perhaps moving equipment for maybe the yard to be cleaned up or the painted lines on the ground to be re-done...you leave out details, and you want an answer, one that you THINK is going to hang the company..??

have you ever given any thought that this is something they need to be done, and that maybe just maybe someone at the company DOES KNOW the HOS rules/regulations..?? i mean after all, YOU DON'T KNOW THE HOS because if YOU DID, you would have known you can drive 11 hours......why don't you get "the green book" and brush up on things..???

also have you given any thought that when YOU WANTED something, YOU GOT IT, and now they want you to do something they want...i mean, tit-for-tat.......or is it a "one way street" with you..???

do you realize the unemployment situation and the droves of people out of work the would GLADLY do as told to keep thier jobs..??

do you really think it unreasonable to work extra hours, to help out, so that the next time YOU WANT SOMETHING, they will most certainly be more readily able to FULFILL YOUR WANTS..???

you are really sounding like a "one way driver"...."all for me and no one else"....

 

This sez it all...

Driving time means all time spent at the driving controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation.

 

Does one even need a license to drive on private property? Licenses are issued by the state, certifying ones ability to drive on public roads right?

I was a yard jockey for a short time, had a CDL-B at the time and since I didn't leave the yard, it didn't matter- private property. Had I pulled one inch onto public streets, could have been in serious trouble, but as long as I remained on private land, the state didn't care.

Food for thought anyway.

Does DOT patrol private roads or even have jurisdiction to do so?

If you were to call the DOT, would they have a more correct and legal answer for you than a forum can possibly provide?

I'd hate to be on the side of the road telling an officer: "Well the guys on the forum said...."

 

The only time I've ever seen any form of law enforcement on a private oilfield lease road was hired off duty to watch a pulling unit rig for OSHA and the land owner. I'm not sure what happened but that pulling unit was a mess and the officer was a complete ###!

 

Now that would just make too much sense. . .

Hey, you wouldn't be the first one to come up with something like that. Believe me, that will impress ANY officer!


In fact, if you want to be even MORE impressive, tell him, "But my BOSS said don't worry about any silly rules, just do what I say!"

 

CMV definition:
Commercial motor vehicle means any vehicle operated in interstate commerce to transport passengers or property when the vehicle'
(1) Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating, or gross vehicle weight or gross combination weight, of 10,001 pounds or more, whichever is greater; or
(2) Is designed or used to transport more than 8 passengers (including the driver) for compensation; or
(3) Is designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers, including the driver, and is not used to transport passengers for compensation; or
(4) Is used in transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placarding.


If you're driving a yard goat, spotting trailers on private property you are not operating in interstate commerce, so you don't have to comply.


If you're an OTR driver and your dispatcher asks you to move some trailers on the yard with your truck that is licensed and registered to operate in interstate commerce, you'd log it on line 3. That's my story. I'm stickin' to it.

 

As soon as I pull in the gate, the pen drops to line 4 until I am off duty or hit the road again. Whatever I do in the yard, on private property, for a customer or for our company, is line 4.

 

And after you have driven 11 hours, what must happen before you can legally drive again? Might you need 10 hours off duty? Hence the OP using the term 10 hour rule? Oh I forgot, even though he understands the rules, because he didn't read your mind and phrase them exactly the way you would phrase them, he is wrong and therefore needs to be picked on because that's what all good teachers do.


Oh silly me, there I go again pointing out something you may have been mistaken about when you were 'teaching'. When will I ever learn to respect the authoritah of someone so well versed in teaching technique such as yourself.

 

yes, you ARE silly...read his words again...

YES, HE IS WRONG when he DOES NOT SAY THINGS CORRECTLY.....

now, as ANYONE CAN SEE, (and READ) he STATES being out of hours 10 hour rule....!!!!

here, he IS NOT out of hours after driving ONLY 10 hours.....he is stating, he can ONLY drive 10 hours........NOT OFF DUTY 10 hours.....ARE YOU SURE YOU READ THAT RIGHT...??????

if someone DOES NOT MAKE ANY STATEMENT CORRECTLY, WE GO BY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, AND NOT ASSUMING WHAT THEY MEAN....

in fact, his boss CAN MAKE HIM work 16 hours.....!!! (as long as he takes a 34 hour reset)

2. 16-Hour Exception
The 16-hour exception is designed to be used for 1-day work schedules, where the driver begins and ends at the same terminal
Drive time may not exceed 11 hours
The driver may not use both the 16 hour exception and the Adverse Driving Conditions exception together
If you layover on any day the 16-hour exception is no longer available to use, including on the day you layover
Once you have used the 16-hour exception, you may not use it again until you have had a 34-hour reset
You may not work over 16 hours
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

and i will ask YOU three more questions...

"how come everyone ELSE HERE GOT what he said, and you didn't"..???

and, "why did you CHOOSE MY posting and no one else's"...??? (when so many others say nearly the same thing....??)

and, "what else did you NOT LIKE about my advice, him buying a "green book and BRUSH UP on it"..????

i think YOU NEED to KNOW WHEN to KEEP QUIET......

 

I try to avoid getting into battles of wits when my opponent is clearly unarmed. But I'll humor you a bit none the less.

You are drawing conclusions about what the OP does and does not understand about HOS based on one unclear phrase in a forum post. If we did that every time you misspelled something or used bad grammar in a post, we would have to assume that you don't know anything about anything.

I didn't see anyone else make the assumption that you did and didn't see anyone else bash the OP based on that assumption the way you did. He asked for a reference to a regulation that specifically allows the holder of a CDL to drive on private property after 11 hours driving or 14 hours of duty time or 16 in the case of the 16 hour exception as the case may be. As an instructor, you could have provided that information if it exists or clarified that it
doesn't exist. In other words, you as an instructor could have taken the higher road and taught the OP and anyone else reading this thread something worth while. Instead, you only taught us that you're a who likes bash people for asking questions. Nicely done sir. Nicely done indeed.