Drop frame van RV

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Steve from hutch, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. TTNJ

    TTNJ Heavy Load Member

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    You have 33' feet to work with for what you plan on doing...."full size home kitchen, small but cozy living room, large bath, and modest size bedroom". Care to share a rough layout on how you will accomplish all this in just 33' feet of space?
     
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  3. Steve from hutch

    Steve from hutch Medium Load Member

    I don't want to post a floor plan but, the front wall of the trailer, 26" counter full width, double sink in the center, cabinets full width above. Right side nose, 12' slide side by side refrig, U shape settee 8' wide. Left side nose, 7' slide 34" double oven range centered with cabinets and counters either side, microwave and cabinets above. Left side short wall 8" then 9' slide with an 8' couch. Right side after dining slide small entertainment cabinet, 36' entry door.

    That is right at 20' of interior space, partition wall then bathroom, 5' long with a 30X60 shower one side, 30" vanity and toilet opposite side. Partition wall then bed room, 7' slide with king bed, cabinet dresser opposite wall, closet doors across the back. That is 35.5' of space not including closet. The bedroom and bath are two steps up from the main floor, the main floor is actually 9" above the upper deck height. The car nose goes under the bedroom and closet a couple feet. The toy deck that is above the car actually has the closet and washer dryer on the forward end, the effective deck size is 9' deep, 98" wide .
     
  4. TTNJ

    TTNJ Heavy Load Member

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    I guess maybe I read into your words more than I needed to, I figured you needed a loft but didn't know how in 33' you wee fit a full size kitchen, small but cozy living room, large bath and modest bedroom without sacrificing some height somewhere. Is the bedroom the only room in the loft?
    I put two lofts in mine, both bedrooms. Can't stand up though so I wouldn't call them modest size, cozy yes.
    Please share photos of your double secret project when you start cutting metal.
     
  5. Steve from hutch

    Steve from hutch Medium Load Member

    The bedroom is the lowest height at 80" the bath is 87" and the kit/living is 95". The trailer is an 18" drop with 126 inside the drop.

    Steve
     
  6. mugurpe

    mugurpe Medium Load Member

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    try usedmovingvans.com for drop frame van trailers. If you're doing a loft a double-drop might be good as it gets the floor lower so you'd have more space. Since you're going through it and cutting it up a bit anyway, a well maintained older trailer (newer ones are all 53', just more to cut) might suit you well. An old "bertha" or "super bertha" kentucky would give you the lowest floor, highest cubes for conversion. I think there where some tri-axle single-wheel super berthas. I've never pulled one or even seen one anywhere but the internet but they're out there.

    here's a double-drop:
    1989 1989 KENTUCKY CUSTOM MOVING TRAILER, 5, Used Moving Vans, Moving Trucks for Sale

    double-drop triaxle single wheel super bertha:
    1999 1999 Kentucky super bertha, trailer is r, Used Moving Vans, Moving Trucks for Sale
     
  7. TTNJ

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    Wouldn't the double drops createan issue with loading a car on the bottom surface and a bedroom loft above? I would think the wheel wells would prevent a car from being loaded at the very bottom.
     
  8. mugurpe

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    the tops of the wells end up about the same height as the deck on a single-drop, and everything in advance of the wheels is lower. I'd imagine after you'd shorten the trailer the car would sit over the wheel wells at regular drop-deck height. Then you could store stuff under it between the wheel wells, or use that as a pit space to work on the underside of the car. The double drop advantage would be the space behind the "dance floor" but before the front wheels where you'd probably have 11ft of clearance. A singledrop gives you 10' deck to ceiling inside.
     
  9. Steve from hutch

    Steve from hutch Medium Load Member

    A single drop with 22.5 have at most 10' the trailers with 19.5 123-124" the trailers with 17.5 are 125-126"

    I had thought about trailers with Dallas Smith rear suspension, (axleless single wheel box) They are just a couple inches too tight and they are really heavy, I almost bought a Kentuck with tri-axle DS suspension. That trailer weighed 18K and change. The other thing I an not real keen on is how low the belly is on some of these trailers. In the areas I travel, some RR Xings could be a problem. A single drop with belly boxes still have better clearance. I will not really add belly boxes but have equipment below the subfloor.

    For example, the generator will be under the bathroom and it will be on a platform that lowers down to service it. The platform will be a few inches below the bottom of the trailer when raised. I do plan to have some storage in belly boxes the lowest of them will still be about 20" high at ride height.

    I also looked at a single axle Great Dane double drop that was very nice, ex furniture van from High Point. The inside height was not really that great 133" IIRC My working height for the overhang part of the car garage is 42" add 4" for Xmembers and floor on the upper deck, the double drop would get an almost flat floor but, it would require single wheel axles and axle boxes. The cost and effort are not worth the gain IMHO. A purpose built frame could do the car low enough for a full length interior with only a car garage below. I have pondered all these options, I keep going back to a single drop with 17.5 tires as the best compromise. Many of the high end 5th wheels still only have 80-84" ceiling height in the bedroom. Honestly, unless you are 6'8"+ it isn't an issue and, heating and cooling the bedroom with a lower ceiling is easier.

    Steve
     
  10. USA Trucker

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    I have an old Dallas Smith 48 foot enclosed car hauler I pull with my Pete 379. Trailer has 17.5 tandem at very rear of trailer.

    It's way too big to be vacationing in unless you absolutely know where you are going in advance for parking purposes. Pretty much limited to truck stops and race track pits. RV parks are out of the question.

    I think best bet is a converted bus. Like a prevost. Then pull a trailer for toys. Much more manuverable.
     
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