Dump Trailers, Frame Vs. Frameless

Looks good man!!

 

Yes, sort of. They can all tip but this shouldn't be a deciding factor as you're not gonna tip it unless you're careless and you should look at it this way. Never good to be nervous every time it goes up.

I am also fairly certain to use the frameless trailer you need to weld your fifth wheel flat, as the king pin plate on the frameless is hinged at the back where the draft arms meet, so when it goes up it won't push your fifth wheel down at the back.

 

I dont buy the frame type is more stabel. Yes maybe in the shorter trailers for construction but you get above 34ft i will take a frameless anyday. I ran both in and out of land fills for 3 years and scrape yard and my 40ft frameless was more stable dumping than my 34ft frame type. Hook to a 40ft frame type and dump it then hook to a 40ft frameless and dump that then tell me the diffrence, the frame type will twist, bend and sway way more than the frameless ever will. I've dumped my frameless at angles i would not put a 30ft frame type in the air at.

 

you are correct your 5th wheel has to be pinned solid so it can not move if hauling a frameless trailer. But i would not recommened welding it solid.

 

Well I wont say per load because I might haul 10 local one day and one three states away the next. I would say $50 a day but I dont feel I could do most of my local work with a frame less so thats the cost of doing bussiness. I have to dump with the truck and trailer at more of an angle than a frameless could be dumped at and im on soft or uneven ground a lot. Im permited for 107,000LBS in NY and I think the framed trailer is much stronger when I bouncing around some muddy pot hole filled land fill or construction sight. When I leave NY Im only good for 80,000 LBS so then im at disadvantage. I can still cary 22.5 tones but I know a 39' frame less weighs about 5000 less than my trailer. A half round about 6000 less. 25 or 26 ton would be great but 90% of my dump work is in NY so the heavy trailer is fine. I also think most of the in state rates are better than the Otr rates so it affects me even less. If I were to do more out of state runs than I would probibly be forced to get a frameless.

 

You are correct with the frame trailers will most likely take the truck and a frameless will not. But i dont agree with the theory that a frame trailer is more stable than the frameless. You could put both in the air 1000 times and never have an issue and one mistake or load being wrong and its all over no matter what you have.

 

Thats a typical north east set up. In NY that truck could be permited for 107,000 lbs and haul 36+ tons. At 80,000 Lbs it would be more like 23 ton.

 

my holland has factory installed loops on the fifth wheel and the fifth wheel frame ...i have a bar that i insert thru the loops and that makes the fifth wheel stationary for frameless operation....just pull the bar out and it changes it back for standard trailers

 

Either type will tip over so weather or not the truck goes over to should be irrelivent. Dont tip one over! The trailers cost $55k to $85k new. You dont want them on their side. Not 2 mension clean up cost and damage to other property your trailers laying on.