E-logs and Reality

cripple us as in the lil bs things like say you were out of hours for the day and you planned to take your down time at a shipper/receiver.everything was good but then nite #### comes on and says oh you can't stay here.whatever the case a 1 or 2 mile move to a safe spot would put you in violation on the elogs.yeah i know it puts you in violation period but i don't agree with it.every lil thing you do is marked.but america has become a nanny state and people want there hands held more and more,so people will reap what they sow.

 

If the government really wanted to fix the issue of HOS violations all they need to do is focus on the trucking companies, shippers, and recievers themselves. I've often wondered if the people who dispatch the loads to drivers are required to go through any type of training at all in regards to what is legal and what is not. I think that more responsibility needs to be placed on the company and the driver manager/load planner instead of piling it all on the driver. If the responsibility is shared, then there can be a discussion of whether we really want a driver to take a load that can't be delivered legally, instead of, "Driver, you either take this load or we will make you life miserable until you quit." <--They don't tell you this though. It's just understood.

I could go on and on about the way that freight is brokered and the shipper/trucking company/receiver relationship and how that needs to be somehow regulated and all that but I don't feel like typing all of it right now. But I don't see how anyone that knows how the system works can argue differently.

I will say one last thing. I know some of these big companies, (J.B. Hunt, Swift, Schneider, Etc.) are training their driver managers (or whatever they call them at whichever company) to get drivers to run loads no matter what because they know that it's the drivers fault if they take a load that they don't have the hours for, but you're average Joe Blow off the street doesn't have a strong lobby in Washington to push for things to be tilted in their favor.

 

well i guess it comes down to this,people don't like being caged.it's not about trying to out do the law or disobey just because.something people have been doing for years and all the sudden some law maker somewhere wants to make a name for themself and or has been lobbied to pass this new law to protect everything.so they take something that has been legal for many years,then it becomes illegal over nite.then they train deadheaded worker bee's"leo's" that they are patriots for enforcing these made up caging laws.

i know im blowing smoke huh lmao.well seatbelts for 1 prime example.school buses don't even have em yet it's for safety lmao.lets not forget that they can't give you stats on how many people they really save.nor do they tell you how many people they KILL.every accident is diffrent some times it's good to have a seatbelt on and others it would kill you.yet everyone is told they have to wear one or else the gov can rape you for money for not using it.

what i like to see and it's the best,is on places like yt when the leo's that have been brainwashed end up being turned on by there own and they get a taste of how regular people get treated.it's funny to watch cause it's like a light bulb goes off in their head.roflmao

 

that is the main point.the trucking companies are to busy trying to cut throat each other.so what happens is they each promise a bunch of bs to these shippers/recivers.which inturn is pushed off to the dispatchers.they depending on how well they manage their board in turn pushes it off onto the drivers.the dispatcher if trained well then knows how hard it is staying up all day only to get a load last min knowing you would have to run illegal to make it on time.mis management is what it comes down to.the one booking the loads is the main culprit,they need trianing and should have to go out and drive for a month based on their booking schedules.they would learn real quick like...

 

I have to respond to this as well.

This is a common cop mentality, people go around breaking laws for the sake of breaking laws.

I've been to small communities that had NO law enforcement... and I mean none. I observed peoples actions in a bar environment. People policed themselves so well I was completely astonished. Yes, there would be things that the established LEO community would consider law breaking(ie the bar pretty much stayed open until the sun came up).

However, there was no chaos, general lawlessness, or complete recklessness... Nobody felt threatened, and everyone had a very good time.. I actually wrote a paper about my observations, while in college... it was extremely interesting.

Of course, the LEO's that are in my family never like when a bring up this topic.

 

Social control works well in small environments where everyone knows, and is comfortable with each other. Put that on a grander scale and things go wrong. Would be cooler if it worked like that everywhere but it just doesn't. As you can tell from looking at this forum people's opinions on what is safe (right/wrong) vary greatly.

 

no,allow water downed,to no morals into a nation and you will end up with cities full of moral-less people.we have allowed liberal ways to infect our country.by that i mean now days someones actions have excuses attached to them..oh judge my client only broke into that house and held those people at gun point because the weed he was smoking made him do it.please send him to rehab and not jail.

so don't confuse the debate of to many or bs laws with lawless people.hint,they use these lowlifes to help show a need for more laws,instead of fixing the problem at it's core.see that way they can't make money off the people.they need these deadbeats to promote a reason as to why they need to dig in your wallet.

 

Is the romper room closed or something?

 

TaserTot, better actually do your homework before claiming to "know" something.

 

The key word here is 'control'... people were not controlled and it was interesting to observe that many of the folks in this bar didn't know each other... People heard of the place and just came there. Another interesting thing is that there were children in there as well... (another thing the law would have a problem with)

In general, I disagree with your premise. People tend to police themselves in larger groups as well... Again, the key here is 'control'. If there is a stiff 'control' element added to the system... This can be observed in certain soccer events in other countries... (ie There are some unruly individuals, that may start something... however, all hell doesn't break loose until the police arrive and introduce the 'control' element).