Your getting me wrong, I'm saying that perhaps the driver should not be punished... That is, unless the driver intended to kill someone with the truck and was paid to kill...
Of course, in our blame someone society... this will not happen any time soon.
On the other hand, the driver could also choose not to be pushed by the buyer/shipper. Remember, the driver doesn't need to be a puppet either.
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My point is, if saftey was the real reason for all the new laws, after the saftey records the last few years have stated we are at our safest we have been ever, then the goverment would be makeing laws for the whole Transportation world, not just one spoke in the wheel.
Ask me how I know this.
Another way is (if available) just place yourself off duty-driving.
There isn't a shred of evidence that states HOS regs have improved safety.
I've made this statement several times, and I've even seen the DOT guys here lurk in the thread but never post. This could tell us something:
1) They have been searching for evidence that HOS regs HAVE improved safety via DOT collected data... and found none.
2) They know it isn't about safety and never has been.
3) They have been told to strictly enforce HOS regs... for public safety by their superiors, and with some research... have found it to be about revenue not safety.
It's a system that has evolved over the years. Shippers are accustomed to folks "pushing" (breaking the law) and now..... it is a given. And, I would bet, not as well compensated for.
- know your available hours before arriving (ie: did you just drive all night to get there for the pickup?)
- where you were at in the middle of your work week when you arrived for pickup
- how many miles to the destination broken up by 11 hour driving blocks and 10 hour breaks at a set average mph
- pending inclement weather if applicable
All they care about is if it makes it there on time, for the cheapest option.
Next time a shipper "pushes" you, get it in writing. Print this and get it signed.
This is to certify that I have full knowledge that Mr. Stump will be breaking hours of service and risking highway safety to meet my scheduled delivery appointment on __/__/____ at the cheapest possible cost.
I assume 1/2 responsibility in the event that Mr. Stump should get into a fatigue related accident during the course of said trip when he is driving past the Federal Mandated Hours of Service.
I am also aware that I have not allotted enough travel time for a single driver and a single truck to complete this trip in a safe and responsible manner.
_____________________ aka, "the Pusher"
See how ridiculous that sounds?
I would have some more money.
Same with dispatchers and anyone else. Watch how fast they backpedal. See that bus coming?
07-379Pete Thanks this.
Good point, CowPie. However. You do that enough times and you won't have a job. Good luck finding another when the boss trashes your DAC. He/she tends to frown on refusing to haul loads.
The pressure to move comes from every direction. The pressure to sit only comes from one.
you know the people that knock e-logs and HOS are the same ones that have points for violations. and Injun your right if you keep turning loads down they will fire you, but even Swift and I know this as a fact will not force a load on you if you can't make legally. all you have to say is I don't have the hours and all is fine we'll get another driver! no problem. out of all my time I have only driven out of hours once and I would have taken the penalty as my wife was hurt and I needed to be home asap. DB go get them no warnings on HOS violation write them up and make it hurt that's more work for me!
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