E Logs Conundrum

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by SDG8484, May 16, 2014.

  1. SDG8484

    SDG8484 Bobtail Member

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    Hi guys,

    I've got a serious question in need of yall's opinion.:biggrin_2554:

    If you ever have to convert back to paper while out on the road, how can you make it legal? :biggrin_2552:

    I've tried running my e-log status changes in 15 min increments, but there's no way to edit drive time to the increments.
    As soon as I stop driving, the qualcomm records the time till it changes to on-duty then accounts the time to that status.
    I can't edit those few mins back to driving till it stops on an increment.:biggrin_25511:
    Can't take a restart unless its been at least a week either.:biggrin_25512:

    Any solutions?
     
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  3. Cranky Yankee

    Cranky Yankee Cranky old ######

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    if your saying your elog quit working just start your paper from that hour
     
  4. GITRDUN45

    GITRDUN45 Heavy Load Member

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    Take the eobr out of your truck. Shoot it with a shotgun and throw in river,lake or Ocean. JMO
     
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  5. Moosetek13

    Moosetek13 Road Train Member

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    You keep it legal by starting your paper logs where the e-log quits - to the nearest 15 minute increment.
    They won't have to match to the minute, but they should be within 15 minutes of each other.

    And don't worry about trying to get your e-logs in 15 minute intervals. Just let it do it's thing.
    Don't overthink a simple thing.
     
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  6. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

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    mmmmm not quite true....what happens is when you stop a clock starts running ( counting ) ....if you fail to move in the carrier allotted time ( usually 3-5 mins) the elog will switch to OD from the moment you stopped....if you continued on ( like stop light ) it ignores the stop.

    If your elog fails in flight then you must stop and paper up your last 8 days / reset / etc. Your carrier can fax you everything to the dead spot too. ( or most of it )

    The elog can be beat without the carrier knowing anything is up ( until he looks for you ) but never with the unit lit up. There's a procedure to disable it but if he looks for you he won't see you on the map. That might be a problem.
     
  7. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Or do like they do in the movies. Throw it on to a passing farm truck or garbage truck.
     
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  8. cardinals1970

    cardinals1970 Medium Load Member

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    On the restart/reset you are only allowed one a week as that changed last summer when they started the 30 min break deal.
     
  9. C.V.E.

    C.V.E. Bobtail Member

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    The way to beat it is a good way to get in trouble. Remember the system is tied to the truck, and it runs off very accurate GPS tracking. So you disable it in one place and run for a while fine, as soon as you place it online again it picks you right back up, and shows a discrepancy, as in how did you get from there to here. It doesn't automatically fill in the blank, it just shows at a certain time and day you were one place, then suddenly you're at another place at another time and day.
     
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  10. JPenn

    JPenn Road Train Member

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    Teleportation!! We used to do that to Ryder's Peoplenet, when I worked there. Pull the antenna off, drive where you were going, put it back on. We weren't doing anything illegal, just getting back at our fleet management team for setting our trucks to 59 mph, and ruining our 98.8% on time delivery rating. Don't do this if you want to keep a job, we were burning bridges, we knew it, and we all (to a man) quit within months of each other.
     
  11. Aminal

    Aminal Heavy Load Member

    I think it depends on what brand of e-logs your company uses as to how it works. I only have experience with Qualcomm but when mine crapped out I just had the log department fax me my previous week as if I was at an inspection and an officer was requesting them. I used that as my previous seven and current and just started a paper log from the closest time on the graph to the time when the e-log stopped. I went though an inspection with it and passed so I guess that works.

    The guy tat said 1 restart per week is correct about that.

    Qualcomm won't let you edit the driving line but it will let you edit the others and make changes. Mine has a dirty little habit of making you think it automatically puts you from driving to on duty not driving when you pop the parking brake by doing it sometimes - but not others. So about the time you get used to it automatically switching you and stop making a big effort to remember to change it from driving to OD; it stops doing it and I wind up with drive time that really should have been OD time and I'm SOL because you can't edit it back.

    About the only "cheat" I have been able to find is editing out OD time and changing it to Off or SB to get some back on my 70 and putting a BS reason for the edit down like "add remark" or "error correction". Or using Off Duty Driving when I wasn't. Got to caution about that, though. You can get caught pretty easily with the Off Duty Driving thing. It's pretty obvious to both the DOT and your Safety/Log person what you did. At least it was to mine when he busted me and no amount of BS worked. Dude had me dead to rights. "Mr. Aminal. Stop now please. Your embarrassing yourself. I have the area pulled up on Google Map with satellite imagery and where you said you went to Walmart for groceries; Um, that's the Conagra warehouse you were delivering to. I'm just sayin' if I can do this a DOT Officer can and will on his laptop in his car. Off Duty Driving is a red flag they will check if you get stopped. Also, 32 edits in a week? You do know that when the Officer requests your logs the fax on this week will be like 15 pages because ALL those edits show what it was and what you changed it to [cough BullSheiz] "add remarks and correct errors." Just do us both a favor and stop cheating out time and trying to BS the system. You're gonna get caught and both of us will be in trouble. Just suck it up and run it legal."

    So, that's what I do now. Make sure I always change it to OD or Off the instant I pop the parking brake and I just run it legal and let them do what they want when I can't make it on time. Repower it or bump the time. Either way. Sucks, but that's the new world now.
     
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