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Sorry to inform you, but, if you KNOW how to log to begin with, you will not loose time. It is Federal Law that states "if you are sitting longer than 15 minutes at a customer, and are not physically doing any labor, then you ARE allowed to log it as off duty. You just need to include a note that it is waiting time. You must know the business you are in before you say the things you know not of.

 

Please inform us of the article in the FMCSR that contradict the article 395.2 of OnDuty definition category 5

Clearly, the sentence "remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle" tells me that all time waiting in line at a shipper/consignee is On Duty.

What article of the law which should fall under fr49 part 395 tell that 15min of waiting time should be recorded as off-duty ?

Thank you to advise.

 

Well... that's assuming you're sittin' in the driver's seat, gripin' the wheel, and grittin' your teeth. OTOH, some of us go hit the sack and saw wood. So if you desire to "remain in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle," by all means, log line 4, burn your 70... and in fact you can make some "Vrooom, Vrooom!" sounds to keep yourself occupied!

 

I think he's referring to waiting to check in (think Wally World security or AG Nashville). That wait for security to pull their cranium from their sphincter would technically be logged as at a minimum on duty if logged legit. I always kkinda figure I have 30 minutes tied up when at a place like that so I log 15 in and 15 out. Just my way no law or reg making me but as close to accurate as I can get.

 

Well sure...

When you're dealing with the mental rejects at the guard shack, and the over-pretentious shipper/receiver clerk with attitude... you need to show some line 4 time.

But this nonsense that you MUST show ALL time within 20 feet of your truck as being on line 4 is seriously bogus...

 

Oh agreed. It just sounded like two sidess of the same argument.

There is no reg mandating you log any time. All time relieved of duty(Like the idjits you just paid $400 to are busy doing their damndest to brake out the bulkhead in your trailer with a pallet jack) should be logged off duty or sleeper.

I know some guys that got caught in a review however logging sleeper when paid for unloading. That company was already in deep doo doo prior to that but when they were found logging sleeper while blowing off a tank of limeDepending on the silo that could be a 1-2 hour process watching for build up, switching hoppers, try not to blow a pipe at the crappy old feed mill in Lake Butler.

I have always said easiest way to stay out of trouble do what you log log what you do.

 

You can interpret the law the way that fits you best but I was referring to the statement made by vcgray

It is Federal Law that states "if you are sitting longer than 15 minutes at a customer, and are not physically doing any labor, then you ARE allowed to log it as off duty.

I was clearly hoping to get the article of the law that vcgray was referring to but since nobody can, I'll keep burning my 70. ( which doesn't really matter as I still make it home most of the time anyway)

Basically, the only exception in 395.2 relates to sleeper berth, otherwise if you are waiting to get loaded or waiting to pull in a bay or dock then you are clearly in readiness to operate the vehicle or ready to perform duty.

I love how some people react to the ones that try to do the right thing. I like the "vroom, vroom" idea to keep me occupied. One of the best advise made on this forum so far.

Thank you

 

I never got that lucky in the little bit I ran one. Of course we only did feed mills and the like no manufacturing plants per se. Heck half the time you would scale yourself in (place ticket in printer enter truck number hit print, yell profusely when the paper traveled the other way, turn around hit print, more yelling as now it weighed you out with 00 lbs net delivered )

Try to figure out which one of the tanks you were blowing into, and try to stay awake while watching the guage. Scale yourself out..........



Wasn't a bad gig but with CCC and Walpole having guys beating down the door for$ 8 an hour we couldn't compete.

 

Frenchy it is the reg about relieved of duty. If you waiting for the consignee to finish unloading and you are not performing maintenance, doing paperwork, and can not progress towrds your next load you would by definition be relieved of duty for that time period.

Is it always 15 or 30 minutes no. But when I can do nothing to facilitate my load and have no other obligations I move to line one even though like you I usually have 5-6 hours to spare after the trip home every week.