Eaton Fuller 10spd Arrgh!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by gwhitson, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Muleskinner

    Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>

    Come ride with me and I'll show you how to shift that old girl easy as pie:biggrin_25525:.There's a lot of guys on here that have played that tune and I really like them in a truck that spends some of it's time off highway cause you got a hole for all occasions.
     
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  3. Muleskinner

    Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>

    :biggrin_25514::biggrin_25514::biggrin_25514:Excellent post.
     
  4. gwhitson

    gwhitson Light Load Member

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    Man, great advice from all! Thanks so much, I was just bragging to my fellow students at the pool about this forum and the wealth of info I get from it. I think another thing I've just learned is the whole "let the truck work for you." Man that's awesome. I sounds so simple, but those are the little things I need to hear because I'm too green to even consider that. I'm totally doing all the work!! BTW, its an 04 FL and I think its a Detroit, but I wouldn't know much more beyond that. I've looked at it in my PTI, but I've never committed to memory the type of motor. Seemed insignificant, but it sounds like its very important. I would love to see the day when my tranny is "searching" for the gear for me. I know with time behind the wheel that'll come, I can't wait to put this to use on monday..lol. Also, I'm so green to trucking, could someone give me a lil history on what the hell was going on in that one video of that trucker with the two shifters??? Man that was intense...thanks to all for the support and advice, very much appreciated!!!!:biggrin_25514::biggrin_25514::biggrin_25514:
     
  5. gwhitson

    gwhitson Light Load Member

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    But see the thing is, the tach has a yellow marker up to 1200, 1200-1500 is green, 15-18 or so is yellow, etc.
    I thought the green was where the tach needed to be when I was driving?

    :biggrin_25510: Sounds like I either misunderstood or wasn't informed that that's the sweet spot for shifting. So that's why I wouldn't shift until I was back up in the yellow, for downshift at 1100 rpm, C-N-C-gas-gear, rpms to 1700 or better then grab next lowest gear. LOL man, sounds like I was sooo missing the mark..again, many thanks.
     
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  6. BullGoose

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    I have no idea what your yellow - green - yellow markers stand for, but in a detroit and a 10 speed, if you shift at 1500-ish and make the shift smoothly and successfully, your tach will read 1100 or so rpm. If you were to watch someone like Muleskinner or GasHauler shift you would see the tach needle fall and, as if they were all connected, their right hand move the shifter into gear seating it into place as the tach falls to 1100 rpm. You can feel the shifter fall into gear as the rpms hit the sweet spot. If you can imagine holding a rolled up newspaper against a picket fence as you walk along. Thick-thick-thick-thick. As you slow your walk, the newspaper will fall a little deeper into the openings in the picket fence. thick-thick -- thick --- thick until you stop. When you stop, the newspaper will be resting in a slot between two boards of the picket fence. This is what a transmission falling into gear will come to feel like. I use the rolled up newspaper as an example because there should not be a metallic feeling when you shift.

    This may be as silly a thing as I have ever typed, but I hope you can imagine what I am trying to describe.
     
  7. gwhitson

    gwhitson Light Load Member

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    Great analogy, makes perfect sense, yeah I haven't even bothered to "feel" the gear slip in, I've just been trying to put it, and/or force it in. Not maliciously of course, but I thought that's what I needed to do to make it work. Boy was I wrong..lol
     
  8. Truckerjo

    Truckerjo Road Train Member

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    Generally the colors stand for optimum operating range at cruising speed.. yellow being low, green being optimal (best fuel), red exceeding optimal range

    Cruising speed? well that in most sense is speed at which you would be running at on the interstate.. (or what the truck is geared best to run at such as J.B trucks 62-63, Sni Truck 64-65 ext...

    But then you have the issue of most being Analog tachs.. In this case they generally are behind what the engine is actually doing.. For this shifting to a analog is not exact science, therefore comes in variations such as people have suggested...
     
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  9. BullGoose

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    gwhitson, yours is a common and understandable misconception. As big as these critters are, it is ALL about feel. All about subtleties. You will drive with your ears and toes and the cheeks of your butt as much as with your eyes and hands. When you have time alone in the yard with the truck, simply put some time into listening to the turbo spool up, the rpm's fall during a shift, feel the vibrations tighten up at the top of the rpm band. It will help you be comfortable with the truck and help synchronize your actions to what is going on with the truck.

    If you get to know your truck, you can feel when you run over a soda can on the highway. You can feel the difference between that soda can and a square of drywall that fell of a contractors trailer. If you don't see what you just ran over, you can tell the difference between a chunk of angle iron and a cardboard tube from Christmas wrapping paper. This is important information, and it all comes from getting a feel for your truck.
     
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  10. Muleskinner

    Muleskinner <strong>"Shining Beacon of Chickenlights"</strong>

    Bull is telling you like it is.If you have the knack for this job or the want for it ,it's all going to come together for you as you go.The main thing is to relax just a bit so your mind isn't vaporlocking on you as you are trying to learn this stuff.As you get more time in,the information overload you are getting right now will suddenly start making sense to you and the next thing you know, you'll be a good hand.Main thing is safety in this racket.You'll be just fine as long as you relax just a bit and I'll bet if you go back in there with a calm ,relaxed attitude,those shifts will fall right in the hole for you.Keep us posted.
     
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  11. gwhitson

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    Great thanks again guys, I'm looking forward to getting back in the saddle on Monday. We're going to drive all next week. And ya'll are absolutely right about the overload. Yesterday we pulled out of the yard, and drove about 3 miles through the mountains towards I84, man I was shifting great and it felt great. But once I got back on the highway, and began to exit off, I could find a gear to save my life and ended using the brake the whole time until I was stopped. My instructor is fussing at me, telling me that he KNOWS I can do it, I just need to quit freaking out and just let it happen...lol. I tell ya though, some of the posts in here regarding my shifts are invaluable because in this last situation I've described, I had the clutch in too far, I was revving too high, and I wasn't "feeling" for the gear, but more of cramming it. But on the other hand, if I can initially find a gear I can downshift perfectly until stop. And man it feels great when I do, but horrible when I can't...lol.
     
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