Effects of CSA 2010?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by walstib, Oct 14, 2010.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Stupid government has been working on this since 2004. Now, we have their input and see that it was supported by the big guys in order to have greater control over the driver and less competition from the independent.
     
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  3. Bengal

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    I am upset with the PSP - if you worked for a less than stellar company as my husband and I did in the last 3 years, you're sunk. we worked for one year for a company that had equipment problems and the boss man kept putting off getting things fixed so his trucks could stay on the road. so we got screwed. Also, I didnt know that it counted against me even if i was in the SLEEPER! one of the "hits" on my record was that I got an overweight ticket in IN. Uh, NO I DID NOT! I would have remembered that. I DID get one in CA, because the moron buyer we were loading for kept pushing us to add stops and pallets and we ran into that point where the axles had to be at CA regs so then the weight was over, I remember that one. (who could forget 428.00) but i never got a ticket in IN, and there's no way to fight the PSP. I tried. they say I got the overweight violation. also, in order to fight this stuff, we needed our logs - which our former company has since destroyed from 2009. so where do we go from here? we wanted to switch companies but we're stuck - the one we want to go with from our hometown says I have too many violations - and wont hire us until we get my record cleaned up. well without the logs, there's no way to do that. they show me as being "out of service" 33% of the time! um, where do they get that from? only ONCE was there an out of service, I was on sleeper, it was our first trip out with this crap company, and my husband got stopped because of a torn mud flap. so I suffer. gee, this is fair, NOT! this is unbelievable, and unconstitutional. I have no recourse.
     
  4. Rocky64

    Rocky64 Medium Load Member

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    * Its hard to find someone who can write stupider things than me, but here are a few of my thoughts.....

    IF the big carriers in the industry have perfected the system of recruiting and hiring new drivers at the rate they typically do these days

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    IF many drivers lose thier jobs, seemingly overnight, because of the point system effective date

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    IF dot l/e can download company (and driver) scores on the roadside as has been reported, thus, holding up trucks from companys' that have high points expecting to find more wrong, leading to more fines (revenue)

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    IF the larger carriers are self insured

    then I tend to make the following connections.... (may or may not be coherent)

    As a driver, I will be able to lean on my DM/FM/Saftey Dept more, if there are issues or problems that require attention to be legal, when CSA2010 starts, because, I am protecting "THEM" AND myself when it come to running by the regulations. Roadside inspection bonus' will be a tool more widley used to help ensure perfect inspections, imo.....

    Additionally, as a driver that keeps a low point total, this driver will be more sought after by smaller outfits, and will likely find nicer equipment, better benifits and better pay, and reasonably, I cant find a scenerio where that wont be the case for the big companys either. As the pool of experienced low point drivers gets smaller, and the big companies are still running the driver education mill, cpm will increase, as will corporate profits in the form of higher shipping rates due to increased oversite costs. Imagine being a driver trainer with the CRSTs of the world three years from now and having a high point total... it wont happen, but having a low point total, and be willing to be a trainer, I think that will be a formula for making better money than we've seen for a long time.

    Futhermore, as big carriers are often self insured, having a bunch of drivers in the borderline high point range wont be any less profitable, (unless points get used at lawsuit time, which the indusrty has perfected the accepted risk/loss/profitablity equation) but the smaller outfit that isnt self insured, well, they better offer something that drivers want, beause I think we can agree that insurance companies will certainly use this info to increase bottom line profitability thru increased premiums and not renewing carriers that have high points or high point drivers. Imagine all the local companys that will give up hauling there own freight because of the cost involved with getting a lot of points over 2 or 3 roadside inspections. Im talking mom and pop companies like greenhouses, or small steel fabricators, or the local lumber co... The 10 largest carriers are about to get even bigger in the next few years....

    this is just a few of my thoughts on the matter, tho im prolly way off base....
     
  5. musicmaker

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    Carriers do not have access to driver points, only law enforcement, this is per FMCSA.

    Drivers points do not transfer from carrier to carrier.

    Carriers can look at the PSP inspections but there is no points listed there. Also according to FMCSA, they have not finalized the point system for drivers as of last friday.

    I just attended a 2 hour safety meeting with a rep from FMCSA there to inform and answer questions.

    Also only so many points can be issued (to the carriers) for each inspection.

    If you change carriers, there are no points transferred over to the new carrier.

    However eventually the drivers with a lot of violations will get to take that long vacation
     
  6. Rocky64

    Rocky64 Medium Load Member

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    Can the insurance company see how many points a carrier has?

    thanks for the info
     
  7. musicmaker

    musicmaker Medium Load Member

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    I'm sure they will be able to eventually, but currently you have to have a pin number to see all the carrier data, of course safestat is still there to look at an overall safety score and that is accessible to anyone
     
  8. thelastamericanhippy

    thelastamericanhippy Road Train Member

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    WELL !!!!!!!!!!

    Folks,

    It IS time to stop working for those crappie companies !!!!!!
     
  9. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Take someone that has alot of points and no one will hire. He will have to stay away from trucking for 3 years to reduce his points. Sure he can hide in the cracks.

    After 3 years he'll have to go through the retraining process if he wants to hit the road again. Coincidence??
     
  10. musicmaker

    musicmaker Medium Load Member

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    It takes 3 years for them to disappear, they start reducing after 1 year, however carriers can only see the violations, not the points
     
  11. Rocky64

    Rocky64 Medium Load Member

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    if they can see the violations, and know the point system, well, they can see your points
     
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