ELD effects on bed buggers

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Mikec568, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Mikec568

    Mikec568 Bobtail Member

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    So I spoke to the seller again yesterday about all of the potential issues associated with ELD. I am still being told that it will be BAU. He is stating that the current drivers are not over worked and that they typically put in an 8-10 hour day which includes moving and driving. He is also stating that most of the concern is with the paid by mile drivers. Not sure which direction to go.
     
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  3. x1Heavy

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    You cannot know the impact of HOS. Remember the laws have been in place since roughly the 1930's With minor adjustment.

    I could run three log books and generate a 25000 mile month. Requiring two complete oil changes which would have busted me as a lawbreaker on the logs and on the truck as well excessive non team single miles. I actually hit that twice. The limitations of one oil change every 30 days was allowed. But they did not see the second oil change on the 1'st day as a work round.

    The 25000 mile a month at roughly .38 would have been just about 10000 gross. 2500 per week gross more or less. So much income you did not care anymore, If you were put OOS for a day or 7 the fines relatively were so small shrugs. Pay it and keep trucking just as hard. Ive been OOS once in my life properly caught by NYS. But they did not detect the 110+ 2 miles prior to the rest area. They did have to wait 30 minutes before doing the brake stroke check.

    That was back in the bad old days. The company in Watkins Glen loaded me that night as a special favor. I was in Maryland by sunrise the following day. No problem. That load more than paid the 200 dollar fine imposed by NYS for OOS. I made the choice to show them the one incomplete log unsigned. That was a simple OOS compared to what was possible in enforcement should the real truth came out.

    Today's professional behavior is not a problem. The Limitations in HOS is getting tighter believe it or not. Wife and I went team together to literally bypass the HOS limitatons and turn in a 140 hour work week making a LA to Avenel back to LA round trip in just about 120 of those hours.

    I think 2700 miles one way, 2700 back. .75 to both of us (Same household etc.) Roughly 4000 dollars gross. And probably two to three times that to FFE. Fuel came out to 85000 dollars that year. Payroll to both of us about 65K Tires 10,000 two alternators and two bricked transmission tows. a couple thousand max. Revenue probably on the order of about 550000 for the time period we ran. Something like 2.50 a mile at 220,000 miles run in 9 months flat.

    Our pay could have gone into the 165000 gross area from FFE. But because we were a national firetruck racing to save accounts worth millions to the Company when they threaten to fire FFE as a account and leave them high and dry if the load is not there by midnight or some such bombastic declaration. That was where we came in. So we leave 100K on the table. But frankly we don't care. We got it done.
     
  4. Studebaker Hawk

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    The average agency is really a combination of trucking and service enterprises. Depending on your contractual arrangement with whatever national van line is involved, you may move interstate shipments under his DOT number, intrastate under your DOT number and storage is a separate business.
    Any drivers who are local, that is what the seller is referring to will be impacted minimally. But in order to maintain that legality, they must stay within 125 miles, and return in less than 12 hours with that proof being their time cards. Overnight them and they are subject to ELD. And your van operators who routinely load multiple shipments and are out for days or weeks are the ones who really take the hit. How much is unknown. M&S is not an entry level investment. If you have not been in the industry for a period of time be careful.
     
  5. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Not 100% true. A driver is allowed 8 days in any 30 day period (rolling, like the 70 in 8 days, NOT per calendar month) subject to having to maintain a log book before the ELD requirement kicks in. In other words, 4 out and back overnight trips per month with every working day other than those 8 days staying inside of the 100 air-mile radius, not working more than 12 hours per day, and returning to the starting location to be released from duty. Heck, you could go on one 8-day/7-night trip per month as long as every single day other than that trip remained local.
     
  6. Studebaker Hawk

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    now you really talked this poor guy out of buying his bedbug agency. It used to be relatively simple, but your correct explanation of the ins and outs of it, well lets just say the dispatchers there are going to have an awful lot of hair on the ground next to their desk.
     
  7. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    Better he knows the rules of the game BEFORE he goes all in...
     
  8. Mikec568

    Mikec568 Bobtail Member

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    yep. I joined this forum to get an accurate assessment of the business. it is much more complicated than I originally thought. everyone's input is greatly appreciated. still mulling through it all and am not sure of the direction I am going to take. it sure does seem like the cards are stacked against me. however I am a risk taker and ready for a change. I just need to figure if this opportunity would support my family and I for many years to come.
     
  9. Studebaker Hawk

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    PM me if you have any more questions.
     
  10. Mikec568

    Mikec568 Bobtail Member

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    ok, thanks. I think I understand the intrastate and am not as worried about that as much as I am the interstate. I will continue my research to come up with a decision. Tough call though.

    I can't imagine that when eld takes over that the M&S interstate side of the house completely folds. It seems to me that the engine must continue to run. Now it's a matter of understanding how efficient it will run and how much more effort and time it's going to take for everyone in the business to do the same A to Z trip.
     
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