ELD log books hours. Please help me to understand of it works. Thanks.

drivingmissdaisy · Aug 22, 2020

Redtwin said: ↑

That may be due to how some companies have the ELD set up. I worked at one place the ELD would flag a log violation if you were on duty past 14 hrs.
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That's right. These drivers that have their own authority sometimes don't realize that company drivers are at the mercy of the company they drive for. Technically we have unlimited personal conveyance time if we needed it, but 99% of companies limit it in some way which means a logbook violation if it's exceeded. But is it REALLY a logbook violation if you only violated a company rule?

jc3737 · Aug 22, 2020

drivingmissdaisy said: ↑

That's right. These drivers that have their own authority sometimes don't realize that company drivers are at the mercy of the company they drive for. Technically we have unlimited personal conveyance time if we needed it, but 99% of companies limit it in some way which means a logbook violation if it's exceeded. But is it REALLY a logbook violation if you only violated a company rule?[/QUOTE
Thanks for your help, but I will start driving with Schneider. I need training and experience. Thanks again.
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Redtwin · Aug 23, 2020

drivingmissdaisy said: ↑

That's right. These drivers that have their own authority sometimes don't realize that company drivers are at the mercy of the company they drive for. Technically we have unlimited personal conveyance time if we needed it, but 99% of companies limit it in some way which means a logbook violation if it's exceeded. But is it REALLY a logbook violation if you only violated a company rule?
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Every company I have worked for that had PC had it set up where it would put back on driving if you exceeded the time limit. If you were out of service hours it would be a violation, if not it just used your drive time .

SoulScream84 · Aug 23, 2020

How many new posts will be needed to explain the same thing?

jc3737 · Aug 23, 2020

SteveH85396 said: ↑

First off, this is NOT just ELD rules, these are the rules you follow whether on electronic or paper logs.

Lets start with the most basic, the 14 hour rule:
Once you log "on duty" the 14 hour rule starts. It keep running until you have either taken a 10 hour break OR spend 8 hours logged into the sleeper berth (as part of a split). If you take a 10 hour break the 14 rule is reset to 14 hours, if you take an 8 hour break in the sleeper the 14 hour rule reverts to the time you had left on your 14 hour clock when you logged into the sleeper. I only mention the split because of how well I understand it and how often I used it when I was OTR.

The 11 hour driving rule:
You may drive a MAXIUM of 11 hours within your alloted 14 hours. Example, you go on duty, pre-trip, then drive 30 minutes to a shipper where you spend 6 hours waiting to get loaded. When you depart the shipper you WILL NOT have 10 hrs 30 minutes left to drive but only what's left on your 14 hour clock.

The 30 minute break rule:
You cannot drive beyond 8 hours into your 14 hour clock without taking a 30 minute rest break. The 30 minute break resets the 8 hour clock to either 8 hours OR how much of your 14 hour clock remains, which ever is less. For that reason I tried to delay my 30 minute break until I had burned at least 5 1/2 hours knowing that I would have 8 hours OR less left on my 14 after the break. If you take a 30 minute break too early you will have more than 8 hours left forcing you to either stop early or take another 30 minute break.

10 hour break:
The 10 hour break resets both your 14 hour AND you 11 hour clock (assuming you have enough left on your 70). You can remain on duty past your 14 hour clock, you just cannot drive until you take a 10 hour break. Obviously if a shipper or receiver forces you to leave their property AFTER your 14 hour clock runs out you'll be forced to drive.

I hope this helps. I didn't expand on the split as it's an advanced concept that not a lot of drivers (or dispatchers) understand.
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Please, let's see if i understand correctly, what you said to me before about the 11 Hour Rule.
Ex, 1) Pre trip, ( On duty status, lets say,takes 30 minutes), 2) Drive to a shipper ( I spend 6 hours to get loaded), when I leave the shipper, as you said before, i won't have 10 and half hour left to drive, but only what's left of the 14 hour shift Rule, IN THIS CASE I SHOULD HAVE 7 HOUR LEFT TO DRIVE? CORRECT? And thats because, the 14 Hour Rule WONT STOP EVEN IF IM NOT DRIVING. In other words, if i would have had 10 and half hour left to drive ( ONLY AN EXAMPLE, ), then the 14 Hour Rule, wont make sense. Because if i would have had 10 and half hour left ( DRIVING TIME, ONLY AS AN EXAMPLE), then the total would be: 30 min ( Pre trip) + 30 min ( Drive to Shipper)= 1 HOUR ( Every thing counts toward the 14 hour Rule). Plus 10 and half ( Drive time LEFT), TOTAL WOULD BE = 1HR + 10 AND 1/2 = 11 AND HALF ( WHICH WOULD EXCEED THE 11 HR ALLOWED). But in the example YOU MADE OF THE 11 HR RULE, The breakdown ( CORRECTLY), would be: 30 min ( Pre trip)+ 30 min ( Drive to shipper)= 1 HR, + 6 hours ( WAIT TO GET LOADED)= 7 HR, ( Plus 7 HR left to drive), TOTAL = 14 HOUR RULE, WHICH IS YOUR EXAMPLE. Do i get this right?

jc3737 · Aug 23, 2020

SoulScream84 said: ↑

How many new posts will be needed to explain the same thing?
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Look i understand that is annoying to see same thing, over and over again, i apologize if I asked this question, but I really appreciate people who are trying their best to help me to understand how that works. For you, an experienced trucker might be simple and annoying to see, but to me which i never even started to drive yet, is very important to learn. That's why I'm investing time in learning as much i can, before I even start. I apologize to cause inconvenience to others, but please try to be patient. Thank you very much

Wasted Thyme · Aug 23, 2020

Remember that you can log off duty while waiting to be loaded/unloaded. As the freight is no longer under your control.

jc3737 · Aug 23, 2020

Wasted Thyme said: ↑

Remember that you can log off duty while waiting to be loaded/unloaded. As the freight is no longer under your control.
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Thanks for your response. I was just about to ask this question. If i log off while at the shipper or receiver, ( to load or unload), the time spent will only count towards the 14 Hour shift Rule? BUT NOT TOWARDS THE 11 HR DRIVE RULE, CORRECT? In other words the goal is to MAXIMIZE THE DRIVING TIME AS MUCH WE CAN? Thanks for your help.

jc3737 · Aug 23, 2020

jc3737 said: ↑

Thanks for your response. I was just about to ask this question. If i log off while at the shipper or receiver, ( to load or unload), the time spent will only count towards the 14 Hour shift Rule? BUT NOT TOWARDS THE 11 HR DRIVE RULE, CORRECT? In other words the goal is to MAXIMIZE THE DRIVING TIME AS MUCH WE CAN? Thanks for your help.
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Is this how it works?

Redtwin · Aug 23, 2020

Think of the 14 hr clock as a stopwatch or the timer on a bomb. Once you start it, you cannot stop it unless you go off duty for 10hrs.

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