ELDS Rate increase

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Largecar359, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    When I worked on the inside, one of the daily comic reliefs among a couple dispatchers was to open up access (via Rand McNally ELD) to a particular drivers daily travel patterns. It was a joke. Every rest area, truckstop, turn out, etc, he'd stop at. Sometimes only 30 to 60 minutes apart, all day long.
     
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  3. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    You hang out at rest areas? Or freeway ramps? Cuz you gotta sleep, and eat, and fuel And pee

    I like to open my left door for various things. Has nothing to do with truckstops. And it certainly don't hurt my paychecks.
     
  4. Ke6gwf

    Ke6gwf Medium Load Member

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    Basically, the only actual reduction in industry freight capacity will be that which was hauled outside of HOS rules, which is a small fraction, and will quickly be replaced by shifting schedules, and hopefully shippers and receivers tightening up load and unload times, which will be pushed as more carriers and drivers impose detention charges for delays. For instance my company charges (and pays) detention at 2 hours, but is looking at reducing it to 1 hour.
    That would really encourage places to get to us faster, which would have a net increase in the freight capacity of the industry.

    While there are some people here who have designed their loads to just require slightly breaking the law, just going a few minutes over the HOS rules, and they will have to change their habits and maybe find different loads on elogs, but most truck drivers and most Freight, don't rely on those extra 15 minutes!

    And if you aren't able to make a run anymore because it takes 11.5 hours to drive the trip, then the shipper will quickly figure out another way to get it hauled.

    At the carrier I work at, we have our terminal about halfway between the Bay Area and Seattle, and so when a load needs to go in a hurry, the driver brings it to the yard, and a fresh driver hooks up and takes it on, while the first driver gets a load that fits his hours.
    One time we had a load coming out of LA headed almost to Canada, and the driver picking it up had been late and so we weren't going to make it, so he drove as far as he could on his hours, met me down south of Stockton somewhere while I was early in my day, I grabbed the trailer and just made it to the yard on my hours, and then another driver grabbed it and made it to the appointment with about 15 minutes to spare. But this is not normal, because we have planned the route to keep both the drivers and loads moving smoothly.

    Now, we have about 150 trucks, so we have more flexibility than a single o/o, but if a run is 11.5 hours drive time, the shipper will have to find a carrier with a drop yard somewhere in between (and since that is 600+ miles, it shouldn't be hard to find someone in between), and let them deal with the logistics of it, meanwhile, the o/o will have to find a different run that he can do legally!

    So the only doom and gloom in this is falling on those who believe that they can't make a living by running legal, and if they got past their own gloomy outlook they would find a better way to do it.


    Now, I will say that there will be a few who will have serious impacts on their situation, but those are niche situations that don't really fall into the Freight capacity of the industry.
     
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  5. Ridgeline

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    Isn't that amazing ...
     
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  6. Largecar359

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    I def. have a list of problems that don't occur at most companies. Trucks are slow, tend to make a lot of stops, try not to drive in the rain or snow. If you drive in bad weather the trucks get dirty. And I don't know anybody who can polish a truck and trailer when it's driving down the road. One big positive about ELDs is by taking a 10 hr break in one spot it will give you plenty of time to keep your equipment nice. Funny tho. Most trucks I see running ELDs don't have nice equipment. I wonder what they do with all that spare time? Probably poor planning.
     
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  7. stayinback

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    Playing XBOX and making Peanut Butter/Jelly sandwiches-On the Phone with their Spouse tryin' to figure out how to pay 3 month old Gas Bill
     
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  8. Ke6gwf

    Ke6gwf Medium Load Member

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    A lot of drivers shut off the truck and start playing video games or watching TV lol
    My company has elogs, and they also have a drive through automatic truck wash, and covered fuel bays with hoses and buckets of soapy water with long handled brushes to get the parts of the cab that the truck wash brushes missed.
    I know that a lot of companies don't have truck washes, or the drivers aren't to terminals as often, and a lot of o/o just don't want to spend the time or money on a truck wash.

    It really depends on the company and how much they are able to afford in equipment upgrades. I see very few of the big fleets that have what I consider to be nice trailers, for instance, and not too many of the smaller fleets.
    I guess I lucked out finding a fleet with all aluminum rims and all air ride and all nice trailers with good tires and good shop. And elogs.

    In any case, I don't think you can relate elogs and equipment cleanliness as causation lol
     
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  9. S M D

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    The main reason rates will go up in because there is going to be a shortage in trucks. And by shortage I mean less loads being booked because majority of the paper loggers are going to be sitting waiting for their 10 to be up. You can’t have as many trucks in the area as you once use to.
     
  10. stayinback

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    Im Not sure how many paper loggers their still are (Im one of them) but you'll still have thousands of Pre 1999's on the street- Or In my Case- you'll have a bunch that are NOT switching to an Eld and run a 100 mile radius (And we'll sneak in a few 125-150 milers too)
    I Think Rates will go up maybe 5-10% That's all.........Nothing Really too significant.

    While I could Switch over- Parking is a problem as it is- Im Gonna be 50 years old soon- Im Certainly Not Gonna Fight with Hundreds of Robots every night Looking for Parking,Its a Joke Now. So I Choose not to

    let Alone I Don't Care for Electronics AT ALL.........I Like my Dashboard Device and Wire Free-
     
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  11. TallJoe

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    50? You seriously sound defeated like you were in your 70s.. There will be new methods to go around this. I am not sure what...but there will be. There has never been a law in human history that so many was against and people would not figure out a way to "cheat it". Chicago is full of "inventors" wait and see.
     
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