Elogs for 1 or 2 truck operations...

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by snowman_w900, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. loudtom

    loudtom Road Train Member

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    I'd say not having to draw lines and write down where I am and what I'm doing is an upside. Then not having to do the calculations for each duty status and how many hours are available on all clocks. I feel like E-Logs are better in just about every way, except that they're a bit harder to cheat. That's a good thing.
     
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  3. Oscar the KW

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    Elogs will just further dumb us down...
     
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  4. spyder7723

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    No, you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Yes, gps is part of the eld. No, it is not mandated to integrate it with ifta reporting. No where in the mandate does it say that.

    The pay off mine you guys keep quoting was me responding to a dude saying the elogs are all about states wanting they're ifta taxes paid.

    Here they are
    And my response refuting that claim.
    I was speaking in the context of ifta.
    Take the jj keller for instance, they may or may not offer ifta tracking but if they do, the mandate ruling does not require you to use it. If is up to each carrier if they want to pay fir that service or if they want to track ifta in any other way including the pen and paper trip reports many of us used for decades. Heck even my jj keller required me to manually input the city and state at each change of duty status if i don't have a data signal at the location.
     
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  5. rank

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    Someone still has to have access to a paper log. Ask the TTR member that got TWO log violations....one for running over his 11 and another for not providing the paper logs for the prior 7. That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
     
  6. loudtom

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    The manufacturer should have listed a paper log book as part of the items they should have. Ours did. The company I worked with before becoming an o/o also had E-Logs and issued a paper log book in case the Qualcomm didn't work.

    As far as E-Logs dumbing things down, it's no different than any other tool invented. Computers, calculators, machines, etc all make things easier. I still think people should learn to manually fill out a log book and calculate and file their IFTA in case they need to.
     
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  7. snowman_w900

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    Thats true about computers, calculators and such....

    However, those things are all optional. My father inlaw has been a farmer by trade his entire life. He prefers pencil and paper and the old way, hes not a fan of calculator or computers or cell phones. He can use them, just doesnt prefer them. At least he has a choice. Hes a math wiz and smart man.

    Dumbing down society is exactly what this ELD is gonna do. Why not make it optional until you prove you actually cant follow the regs or unless you wanna do ELD voluntarily.

    Its only gonna be as safe as the guy using it. Youve seen the kind. Rush rush rush all day long to beat the clock. Thats where people starting taking shortcuts and making mistakes.

    Is that really what we're calling safe?
     
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  8. loudtom

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    Your problem should be with the HOS then, not the ELD.
     
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  9. snowman_w900

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  10. loudtom

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    The HOS clocks are what people are rushing to beat. How they're logged doesn't change that if they're being done properly.
     
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  11. snowman_w900

    snowman_w900 Road Train Member

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    I think youve missed the point here @loudtom

    I prefer running a paperlog. Some just do, and just because they do doesnt mean they are log cheating, rule breaking outlaws. Simply means they dont need a ELD babysitting them. Period.

    As far as those guys doing the rush rush rush, i cant help that. Thats on them, but ELD only certifies that they are not fit to be out here. Maybe if these big trucking companies would require actual intelligence and common sense, these guys wouldnt be out in this industry to begin with. now the true proffesionals are punished? Bulllshit.

    How much stupid proofing can you do to a situation before you just gotta let it go.
     
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