Emissions requirements, CARB, CAFE… Details not rumors.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Guntoter, Dec 21, 2013.

  1. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    I think dirthaller was referring to the fact that New Mexico charges a tax based on miles traveled and that money does not go anywhere but Santa Fe. Yet New Mexico also participates in IRP and IFTA.
    What is the difference in what New Mexico is doing and what CARB is doing? Why aren't people up in arms saying "boycott New Mexico"? They charge a separate tax that no other state charges and if you do not pay that extra tax, you can not travel through their state. Whats to stop them from charging $10,000 to cross? Would we boycott then? What difference does it make if its $50 or $10,000, a tax is a tax? Why hasn't the federal government stepped in and told New Mexico that they can't charge an extra tariff on top of IFTA and IRP?
    The reason? Its the same reason the feds can't do anything about CARB… The tenth amendment says if it is not in the enumerated powers, the feds can't do anything about it. Obviously the federal government has been ignoring the enumerated powers for the last 50 years but I can't figure out why they are not able to do anything about New Mexico or CARB.
     
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  3. dirthaller

    dirthaller Road Train Member

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    The whole point of the commerce clause was to avoid states issuing punitive tariffs or taxes to transport "trade" across state lines. That way, a state can't curb competition by exercising states rights to " tax or tariff" to hinder trade. The only thing that Guntoter is wrong about, here, is it has been abused alot longer than 50 years!
     
  4. Ridgeline

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    Don't they all charge a tax based on mileage?

    No one in New Mexico is saying "you can't come in" they are saying "you come here and use the roads, we need money for that".

    IRP and IFTA are state things, not federal things.


    That is one way of looking at it, but there was a few times of tolls and border permits to enter a state (a state was considered a sovereign entity as a colony). In the case of California, the issues isn't a tax or tariff but a requirement to travel on federally funded roads in order to transact interstate commerce.
     
  5. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    "Don't they all charge a tax based on mileage?" No, do you pay a separate tax (other than IRP and IFTA) to enter California? New Mexico is the only state that Im aware of that will charge you to enter the state even tho you have New Mexico on your IRP, Single State Reg, and IFTA. The fact that $50 won't break your bank doesn't mean its not an unlawful confiscatory tax.

    "No one in New Mexico is saying "you can't come in" they are saying "you come here and use the roads, we need money for that". No one in California is saying "you can't come in" they are only saying that you need to run a certain type of equipment. I would argue that doing that is more fair than a tax because California is not gaining anything by making you buy a new truck, New Mexico does benefit when you pay their tax at the POE every time you come in.

    "IRP and IFTA are state things, not federal things". IRP and IFTA are Federal Programs, the money received by the state you live in is handed over to those FEDERAL agencies who then disburse that money to the states you run in.
     
  6. dirthaller

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    The point I'm trying to make is that the commerce clause IS NOT GOING TO STOP CARB. I agree that it should but it won't.
     
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  7. Stump

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    Most of this is old news if you live in, or are dealing with CARB, and have been keeping up with the news and updates. I was thinking about this for the last few years that other states would adopt CARB rules. In fact, the way it's written with the EPA, all the states can.

    Do what I did, contact law makers in those states like I did. The two other west coast states I run have told me the whole thing is a big mess, and until the EPA pushes for all states to follow CARB, their said states will not deal with the disaster that California has started.

    With that info, I still believe the first poster is right, it's a matter of time for the rest of the states to do some sort of regulation on emmisions, but I believe it will be well past 2016. The first states that will follow will be California border states.
     
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  8. Guntoter

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    Yeah, its old news. But for some reason people ask everyday "what is this CARB deal all about"? Because ten different websites give us ten different explanations.
    You say you "talked to other states", like I said please be more specific. You must have talked to a person. Who was that person, what questions did you ask, what were the answers he gave you, etc? The purpose of this thread is to share specific details about CARB and other states.
     
  9. Stump

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    Contact the Capitol switch board, ask them for senators or congressmen in that state , they will give the e-mails to these people, you e-mail them what you are concerned about. They will get one of there aids to look into it, it takes awhile to get a e-mail back, but it's worth it. I don't have the e-mail address anymore, but that's the steps you have to take. I e-mailed the 2 states other then Cali I run in.
     
  10. bbt_387

    bbt_387 Bobtail Member

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    Woww !!
    Good info I wish you guys would have kept updating the post.
     
  11. m16ty

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    KY has been doing that for years with the KYU number that is over and above what IFTA and IRP charge.
     
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