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Empty placarded trailer on shipper's property.

Discussion in 'Hazmat Trucking Forum' started by JReding, May 18, 2020.

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  1. May 21, 2020 #31
    freebeertomorrow

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    if you wedge enough pieces of wood in there they will stay.
     
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  3. May 21, 2020 #32
    kemosabi49

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    When I first started tanker, we would wedge small pieces of gravel in there. Most of the time it worked.
     
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  4. May 21, 2020 #33
    Cattleman84

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    When I was in the fertilizer industry we had a hard time getting them to stick to tankers... So we got the metal ones that can be flipped to show different placard or none at all.
     
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  5. Jun 10, 2020 #34
    Bill51

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    But shipper's responsibility to provide the placards.
     
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  7. Jun 10, 2020 #35
    Bill51

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    Yes.
    With a copy of the BOL from the last load, with "residue" written on it.
     
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  8. Jun 11, 2020 #36
    Antinomian

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    That is a risky state of mind.

    It is also the carrier's responsibility to review shipping papers and placards to make sure they are correct. Let's be realistic here. If you get pulled into a weigh station and your placards or your paperwork isn't correct it will be you having the problem. Those cops work for the state you are traveling through, not for the FMCSA.
     
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  9. Jun 11, 2020 #37
    JReding

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    What's risky about it? What he stated is fact.

    While the responsibility ultimately falls on the driver to be sure everything meets requirements before pulling a hazmat load, that doesn't negate the responsibility of the shipper to provide the placards.
     
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  10. Jun 11, 2020 #38
    Antinomian

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    Risky and factual are not opposites.

    It's risky because it's not a fact that will matter when you get pulled in and have the wrong placards. It's risky because it sounds like an excuse to leave it to the shipper. Never tell yourself it's the shipper's responsibility because when it matters it's always going to be yours.
     
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  11. Jun 11, 2020 #39
    JReding

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    There seems to be a disconnect here.

    They're not opposites, because they're two different subjects, two different responsibilities:
    - The shipper is responsible for providing placards. There is no questioning that. A shipper that has any idea what he's doing will provide the proper placards.
    - It remains the driver's responsibility to ensure they are the correct placards. There is no questioning that, either. Any driver who knows what he's doing will do so.

    If either of them aren't paying attention to what they're doing, then yes, it's risky.
     
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  12. Jun 12, 2020 #40
    wis bang

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    The shipper is responsible UNTIL the load leaves his property.

    Then the carrier/driver IS responsible and some of the fines can start at $10,000.00.

    They want Haz Mat done right!
     
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