Engine brake - trainer never told me what is it

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by defencerulez, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. defencerulez

    defencerulez Light Load Member

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    As the original poster, this is what i have to say:

    Feel free to say that "how can you not know how to use a jake brake in Canada if it makes you feel better!

    I am a rookie with a year experience, i am here to learn, but would you guys answer the following question please?

    I just tried out my engine brake, it's'just like when you are not stepping on gas, your truck slow down faster.

    Q1 - do you guys use your jake brake on turns? Let's'say it is icy, you are making a turn on highway while going downhill! If you coast with jake brake on the turn, and you skid, didnt you just put yourself at greater risk of jackknife? Because your tractor is slowing down, while your trailer kept pushing. When your tractor skid, trailer push, but tractor kept slowing down, isnt that a jackknife? If you didnt have engine brake on, your tractor is coasting at the same speed as your trailer, even if you skid, wouldnt you have a greater chance of avoiding a jackknife because your tractor is not slowing down? In 1 word, why do you want to "brake" on a turn?

    Q2 - i do see engine brake works on straight and straight downhill only, but without brake light, and as some of you have said you like stronger drag out od the engine brake, didnt you just put yourself of getting rear ended? Consider some drivers do not even slow down going downhill and just let it slide?

    Q3 - So, what is the proper way of using an engine brake? When and where would you use it?

    I will ask my trainer when i see him regarding his explaination as to why dont he want me to use engine brake. For now, this is what a rookie think of after testing out his engine brake a bit. Fire away, correct me and take me apart if i have said anything wrong!
     
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  3. Dave_AL

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    Since I don't have half the experience others here do, I won't muddy the waters (so to speak) when others will be along to answer your questions much better than I.

    I will say, however, that the typical place to use your jake is on a grade, don't use it in icy conditions and...

    I have no idea if all trucks (newer maybe?) are like this, but when I used mine in a Cascadia, the jake would somehow illuminate the brake lights. My Cascadia was an '09 if it helps to sort it out.
     
  4. crzyjarmans

    crzyjarmans Road Train Member

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    Some inexperienced driver trainers tell there students to not use the engine brake because thats what they where told, this why I say companies like CR. England, that allow 6 month driving experienced driver train is a mistake, I never turn mine off, it's always on, On the highest setting, I just dont take my foot off the go pedal all thr way when shifting, A experience driver should be able to control his truck even in icy weather, Been driving some 23 years, and have never slid off the road, or jackknifed trailer.
     
  5. Preacher Man

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    When I was in training we were going down a mountain, my trainer was in the sleeper and yelled at me to not use the brake, it was snowing so I wasn't supposed to use the Jake either. So, how do you slow the truck down without using a brake or a Jake? How I survived I'll never know, I guess it was just by the grace of God.

    That interlock is very helpful since the axles twist over rough ground. Just had to use it a little bit ago to back up a hill over uneven terrain. Just remember to disengage it once your done. Sometimes the drive axle comes completely off the ground.
     
  6. crzyjarmans

    crzyjarmans Road Train Member

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    there thoughts are to be in the right gear and speed before you hit the hill, but this doesnt teach you how to slow down on a hill with the added help of your jake/engine brake, used properly and you can safely slow down with them and with out smoking your brakes
     
  7. fortycalglock

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    1. You don't use the engine brake in icy, snowy or rainy conditions unless you want to talk to your safety manager.
    2. Why would a truck run into you if you were going slow down a hill? Your engine brake usually won't prevent the need for your trucks brakes to be used down that hill. If you're going super slow, your four way flashers should be on anyway.
    3. The reasons tanker yankers use it a lot, is that anything that will slow down the surge in the tank is helpful. The surge from an unbaffled tank can shove a truck out in the middle of an intersection if the stop is too sudden. This video is an example of surge. [ame]http://youtu.be/NYfuzDo7Am0[/ame]

    4. Before engine brakes, the tried and true method for going down a hill was to start out down the hill in the same gear you climbed the hill with. Obviously this still works if you don't have an engine brake.
     
  8. defencerulez

    defencerulez Light Load Member

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    As the original poster, the more i read this the more confuse i am...

    Some of you cant seems to live without it and need to have it on at the highest level at all times... But none of you have yet to resolve this theoritical problem: Slippery downhill on a turn, jake brake on and coasting, your tractor skid, tractor slowing down on jake brake while trailer kept pushing, and improved chance of jacknife than without jake brake...

    Some of you are saying exactly what my trainer have said, dont use it in icy or slippery conditions... But I cant ignored the benefit of saving more air in the tank and not burn out my brakes...

    Yes to go without jake brake in Canadian winters, i have to be prepared for every downhill or turns before I go at it!
     
  9. defencerulez

    defencerulez Light Load Member

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    As the original poster, the more i read this the more confuse i am...

    Some of you cant seems to live without it and need to have it on at the highest level at all times... But none of you have yet to resolve this theoritical problem: Slippery downhill on a turn, jake brake on and coasting, your tractor skid, tractor slowing down on jake brake while trailer kept pushing, and improved chance of jacknife than without jake brake...

    Some of you are saying exactly what my trainer have said, dont use it in icy or slippery conditions... But I cant ignored the benefit of saving more air in the tank and not burn out my brakes...

    Yes to go without jake brake in Canadian winters, i have to be prepared for every downhill or turns before I go at it!
     
  10. jbatmick

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    I do not use them on ice, or in the rain. Others can do as they wish.:biggrin_2558:
     
  11. Okieron

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    Ok going downhill in good weather use the jakes if you want. you should have learned to use your trans and brakes to control the truck properly. Its nice to have another system to back you up. Now if you have been doing this for a year in canada yes you are a rookie and yes you will learn more. so don't be offended by some of the harshness of people. its just what makes the world go round.

    an easy way to learn the use of jakes is to try them in dry clear weather on a small down grade. set it on its lowest level and see what happens to the truck when you take your foot off the pedal. then step it up a level and do it again. and so forth soon you'll see whats going on how it works and as everything in trucking you will make the best decision for YOU! I hope all of this jibberish helps as I'm sure someone will flame me for the way I explained this.
     
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