Engine dilemmas...

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by DieselDog81, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Something doesn't sound right does it? A platinum costing more than a crate motor? Around here platinum inframe is a hair under $20,000. I had one done and like you spent another $6,000 on other things I felt needed upgrading.
     
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  3. DieselDog81

    DieselDog81 Medium Load Member

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    Im going to place a call into the Cat rep first thing tomorrow. I want to find out if we can get the O/H certification worksheet for it. As long as the tech filled it out correctly, It should show everything that was inspected or replaced. I know that a Gold kit was put in, so certain parts weren't replaced, but they should have been inspected, right? And also, if the rings were mixed and matched in a way thats not authorized, that and any resultant issues should fall onto the shoulders of the shop that did it, correct? If thats true, than why is that shop not picking up the bill for incorrect workmanship.

    I personally feel that the ball was dropped by at least the shop that performed the O/H. And possibly one other that had seen the truck for a water in oil complaint after the O/H was done. Although the second shop has a good reputation for good work. But, how both of those shops missed the issues with the cam is beyond me. The damage that I saw was extremely hard to miss. Multiple lobes were scored with chips and flakes. I think that Cat and the O/H shop should belly up and pay to make the engine right, or put that dollar amount into putting a reman motor in.
     
  4. Fishell Trucking

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    Yeah I think If my memory serves me right. The kit that I got was a around 17,000 and the rest was the parts that I wanted on the engine and I suppose the labor cost. I didn't think I did that bad.
     
  5. tommymonza

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    They give you an idea on what they felt took the camshaft out?

    Water in the oil is never a good thing. i take it all the symptoms were on the record from the previous owner not you.
     
  6. DieselDog81

    DieselDog81 Medium Load Member

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    Nope, no idea what happened to cause the damage to the cam. I got called into the main office with the shop owner and the cat rep before I got a chance to look at the rollers. Maybe they seized up or broke? But those are just guesses. The oil sample came back clean with no abnormalities at all. So, we were all scratching our heads.

    Yup, all the symptoms were listed in the invoices from the previous owner. But, this whole ordeal started when I noticed oil dripping off the exhaust band clamps under the cab. So I started working my way forward towards the engine, until when I pulled off the top turbo and saw the oil puddled in the manifold. At that point I took it to Cat.

    I think I made up my mind to get the reman motor. But, Im going to be a thorn in Cats side and see if they wont pay the warranty towards the reman. And also Im going to see if the O/H shop will put some money into it as well. I think that after everything that we found on the current motor, that that is only fair.
     
  7. rollin coal

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    If CAT did a gold kit on your motor they will have records of it. They are thorough and check everything when they have it apart. If the camshaft was questionable that would have been brought to the previous owner's attention. If he decided to put the old camshaft back in that's what they would have done and also marked that down on the paperwork. So the previous owner signs off on that if the camshaft fails CAT is not responsible to warranty it. The guy probably cut corners because he knew he'd sell.
     
  8. rollin coal

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    Yeah that's aboUT right. We have 9.75% sales tax in TN which sucks but is what it is. I wanted mine inframed by the local CAT.
     
  9. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    With a gold kit do they even remove the cam from the head? I don't know if they replace the head or not with a gold. You can be sure if the previous owner cut a corner CAT documented and covered themselves.
     
  10. DieselDog81

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    Without a doubt the pervious owner cut corners. But, even with a gold kit, the cam and valve train should have been inspected. The head is not replaced under that kit. The damage to the cam should've been visible without removing it
     
  11. rollin coal

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    You're right, and I'm sure it was inspected, but swapping in a new cam is $900 extra. If they said it looked iffy but the previous owner did not want to pay extra for a new cam they had him sign off on it that it was brought to his attention but he declined to fix it. Not going to be covered under warranty. There is a lot of paperwork and things you sign off on with an inframe.
     
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