Engine / model combo recommendations

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by themetro, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. themetro

    themetro Bobtail Member

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    Hi all. Been dreaming for years of going o/o, and I’m finally going to do it. (29 years a driver.) I’ll be pulling containers to start with, for a local outfit. Trying to select a truck now. Pre-ELD model, with maximum priority on economy. For me this means, in addition to decent mpg performance, easy maintenance. I plan to DIY as much as possible, so I’m thinking about factors like: accessibility of components, simplicity of electronics, reasonably-priced parts availability, and of course general durability.

    I realize truck preference in many cases is mostly a personal thing, but I’d love to hear everyone’s input. I have a few thoughts of my own, garnered over the years from talking to other drivers, but all that is very unscientific. One thing stuck in my head is a leeriness about Caterpillar. I understand they make quality power plants, but I also have a notion that they work to inhibit competition from after-market parts suppliers, which could run counter to my priorities as stated above.

    I’ve learned much already just reading through the various threads, and am so appreciative of the helpfulness of you who participate here. Thank you in advance for any and all thoughts.
     
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  3. Dino soar

    Dino soar Road Train Member

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    Depends what you're looking for. If you are looking for the ultimate in reliability and simplicity and the least expensive engine that you can run, the big cam Cummins wins hands down. You will never ever ever ever ever under any circumstances go to a dealer, or be stuck on the side of the road because of a check engine light or bad wire or a bad sensor.

    If you want electronic and you want dependability find a 12.7 detroit. Great engine.

    Caterpillar makes a good engine but if you need a nut or a bolt you're going to spend $1,000. When it's time for a rebuild you will cry like a baby and remortgage your home.

    If Peterbilt is your thing you will spend four times as much to buy the truck, the dealers are not great for parts, and if you buy used parts you'll still spend four times as much, all for a truck that the windshield will leak and short out your electronics, the climate controls will not work right, it has a goofy clutch pedal and an antique brake pedal that will get dirt under it and your brakes will not not work properly, and you will need four football fields to turn around... but hey if that's your thing...

    If you find a Freightliner with a 12.7 what more do you need? Maybe you want more of an aero Truck maybe you can find one of them with a 12.7? Freightliner has an outstanding dealer Network they're everywhere those dealerships. I have a 1995 and I have never waited more than overnight for any part that I've needed.

    They also have dtnaconnect which has schematics for virtually every part on your truck. So while you call Peterbilt and wait on hold for him to look up your VIN number and they can't figure out what you need before they charge you some insane colossal amount of money, Freightliner will have your part in your hand because you can order it by part number from dtnaconnect.

    Really if you are going to go pre EGR any truck with a 12.7 Detroit is good. Just depends what you are looking for.
     
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  4. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    There is just as much out there for aftermarket parts for Cats as anything else. They are more expensive though, and also have a bit of a drinking problem. For maximum bang for buck I'd say a 12.7 Detroit in a Freightliner FLD120 is what you're looking for.
     
  5. slow.rider

    slow.rider Road Train Member

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    Detroit 12.7 Columbia: simple repairs, tight turn radius, aero body for better mpg.
     
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  6. themetro

    themetro Bobtail Member

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    Thanks. That pretty much confirms what I've heard over the years. N14? Is that a big cam? I've heard they're good engines and easy to maintain. But I have to balance fuel economy as well. Haven't heard how they tend to do there. What about the "plus" or "red top?"

    Also always heard great things about 12.7 Detroit, including fabulous mpg. So maybe that's the go-to. Should I look for more hp? That's another matter of some confusion. I've heard that more horses DOESN'T mean more fuel consumed. I've even heard the opposite is true. If so then is it a no-brainer to go for bigger?

    I always did like the Freightliners I've driven. Never cared for the Petes, but in recent years I've driven mostly those. Got used to a lot of annoyances, some of which you mentioned. I was considering Pete or KW because I'm told they are built tougher-more durable. When I was working in the oil field that mattered, but for what I'm planning: not so much. And FLs are plentiful which helps with purchase price. Thanks again for the insight.
     
  7. themetro

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    Sounds like a plan; thanks. My notion about CAT stems from one anecdote, primarily. (Although I've heard a lot of people say they're high priced.) I was once broken down needing a fan hub, at a good ol' boys type family shop. On a Friday, near a big city, and none of the local Rush dealers had the part in stock. The proprietor called all over, and was even willing to drive to another city 100+ miles away to get it. Bottom line: we might have gotten me rolling that day but Rush was prohibited by CAT from disclosing the part number in order to keep us captive to their supply chain. So I was down for the weekend. To add insult to injury, as I recall, they went on to send the wrong part the first time. Although it wasn't clear whose fault that was....
     
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  8. Daycabinit

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    If your going to haul containers probably going to need an emissions truck to get into ports / rail yards
     
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  9. themetro

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    I definitely appreciate tight turn radius. And a sloped hood for visibility. (Not to mention the aero factor.) Didn't realize Columbia went back all the way to 1999. I'm dead set on the ELD exemption part. Not because I like to run afoul of the HOS regs. Quite the contrary in fact; I like my 10 hr breaks and 14 hour duty day is plenty. I just don't wanna pay for a service, deal with the lack of control of what my RODS looks like, and be subject to that kind of surveillance.
     
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  10. themetro

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    Hmmm. Didn't even consider that. I'll have to check with the company. For this gig I'll only be running out of one port. Thanks for the tip.
     
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  11. slow.rider

    slow.rider Road Train Member

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    True, but I'm not a paperwork type of guy, so I'm happy to pay a few bucks to let someone else do it. Saves a lot of time I'd rather spend playing videogames. You can edit non-driving mistakes, and most companies don't look close unless they get alerts (i.e. large quantities of small edits, out of hos alerts, etc).

    Plus having an ELD is a big thumbs up at most scalehouses. I went so far as so have custom-made "ELD in use" stickers made because I didn't like the ones mine came with. When they do inspect me, the only attention they usually ever paid to my logs is they have me hand it to them so they can check the eight day totals, then they move on to something else. I think one guy had me email him the report from it, that's about it. I'd much rather just slide on thru and get out of their way and let the eagle-eye the next guy.
     
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