even tho a trucker is meant to have limeted hours on the road what if i dont feel tierd

I had to do it yesterday and looks like today will be no different. Shutting down 3 hours away from home.

 

1 your eld vs aobrds, (i guess vs paper)

Heres my question, as a responsible individual, when running purely in any of those, which times did you personally drive tired? Thats the big thing, because i KNOW that on elogs, the extra bs it was living by the clock and stressing out over it, on an aobrds heavily monitored by the company for compliance (tmc) i rarely had that mental fatigue, and on paper its pretty much the same. Hours of service are dumb and annoying but fine on 2, but on elogs its literally stress inducing. I didnt make more or less money on any of them and maybe im blessed being a lazy o/o now that can pick his own loads and just tell people things arent going to happen the way they want, ive literally had 0 problems with that end of things.

2. I said i see little evidence of cocaine and hookers, this is anecdotal i realise, but i also think over 10 years if it (drugs mostly here) were in fact a rampant issue, a. Many More accidents/incidents etc would show drug involvment, as it is, drunk driving even in a semi far outstrips all other drug related contributing factors.
So Should we end drug testing? Nah, its fine, im less impressed with marijuana being in the list, but i do understand that that ones a hard thing to give a short term test on, so dunno what to do there, coupled with the fact that its still federally illegal, meh, is what it is. Alcohol has proven to be more impairing and has many times worse social destructive powers and its legal though... but there can be responsible alcohol use too, so im certainly not for making that illegal. As moose mentions, its mostly thc, a famously slowly metabolized molecule, so failing a drug test for having a joint on the weekend? Feels dumb, never got a taste for it myself, so doesnt affect me, but that doesnt mean i think its fine to penalize people for chilling out in their time off.

3. Using crash and fatality data to identify problems, sure, cant speak to the hos rules pre 2012, im a newbie remember, but its not like hos didnt exist from 98 to 04, your 04 to 2012 data showing decreases (as large companies started to adopt aobrds and sometimes even train their employees somewhat?) Saying explicitly its the 04 hos chgs needs a true causal link, your hypothesis may be correct, i wasnt around. You say 12 on to 17 was bad, is THAT adjusting for vmt? Because i do remember that a massive # more trucks were moving all the time (amazon took off in a big way here and actual recovery of a sort started from the 2008 thing), was this just an increase in absolute #s while % stayed static? I dont know, but that seems as plausible off the dome as anything else.

Catering to the lowest common denominator is certainly a problem, especially in laws and regulation, yes those idiots are the reason we have to put up with ridiculous bs, so why? Are there no penalties for fing up? Bear in mind aobrds were forced on werner BECAUSE their drivers couldnt fill out logbooks to save their lives, it was actually a way for hightened scrutiny for bad actors to be scaled and used to revoke authority if the offenders didnt shape up. What was wrong with that?
Industrywide mandates presume guilt incompetence and/or malice with no onus of proving that. Im just not down with that. I dont wamt to live in the minority report world where im guilty of things i havent done yet, and i sure as hell dont think its wise to give a malicious and authoritarian group any more tools than i have. "If you have nothing to hide then it should be fine" is a bogus arguement, fine, vaccine mandates and passports are fine and ought to be forcibly installed on your phone along with undeleteable social credit apps... i just do NOT approve of ANYTHING that cedes more power of ANY surveillance to an unaccountable power (nhtsa and fmcsa is accountable to congress... and theyre *in theory* accountable to the people, but no one actually beleives that in practice without being terribly naive)

 

Everybody I speak to tells me that the two things that cause the most DOT drug test positives are THC and Opiates. Over the past several years when I have been contacted the driver tested positive for those two things, not Cocaine. I do know that after Marijuana Cocaine is next when it comes to street use. Also, that study referring back to the clearinghouse. I question just how accurate that is. A good study like that normally takes years to get the data and crunch the numbers. The Clearinghouse has not really been around all that long.

I'm not going to come out and call BS on any study. I really rather such a study would NOT come from a trucking group. I still don't think Cocaine is that much of a problem in the world of trucking. I say this because I simply have not seen it!

 

Just notate your log book that you aren't tired and you are going to truck another 1000 miles.

 

Its a free country...you just do as you please.

 

No never . But honestly I do. Just don’t get pulled over or that’s your ###. Money don’t stop

 

But can you run 2 or 3 log books and make fuel and toll receipts line up correctly, so as not to raise a red flag with an inspection or audit????

 

Hammer down driver.

 

Remember when the person at the fuel desk use to be kind enough to ask you .. Driver do what a date on your receipt ?
He'll the smart ones didn't even ask ..lol

 

And the answer was, "You better leave it blank as I am not sure if I was here yesterday or if I'm not going to be here until tomorrow"!