Extremely rare photo of Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett surfaces, could be worth millions

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  1. Chinatown

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    Rare pic of Billy the Kid and Pat Garrett surfaces
    A grainy 19-century photo of Billy the Kid and his killer Pat Garrett, bought at a flea market for $10, could potentially be worth millions of dollars.
    Frank Abrams had no idea he was getting his hands on a valuable piece of history when he bought a grainy 19th-century photo for $10 at a North Carolina flea market.
    However, high-tech analysis of the group photo has revealed that it shows both Billy the Kid and his killer Pat Garrett, which could potentially mean that it is worth millions of dollars.
    “This is completely unknown, that Garrett and Billy are in a picture together,” Abrams, an attorney, told Fox News. “This is amazing, everybody is excited.”
    NEW IMAGE SHOWS BILLY THE KID PLAYING CROQUET
    Abrams said that the tintype was in a set of photos that he purchased in Fletcher, North Carolina, in 2011. “It sat on my wall for four years or so,” he added.
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    The tintype photograph of Pat Garrett's friend Ash Upson (Frank Abrams)
    However, a National Geographic documentary in 2015 about the discovery of another photo showing Billy the Kid playing croquet prompted Abrams to take a closer look at his own photo. “The croquet story came out and I Google ‘Billy the Kid’ and I see Pat Garrett, and I look at him and I look at the picture and I say ‘that’s the same person’!”
    Garrett, a former friend of Billy’s who became a sheriff, famously gunned the outlaw down in Fort Sumner, New Mexico, in 1881. Born Henry McCarty, Billy the Kid also used the alias William Bonney. He was 21 years old when he died.
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    Abrams consulted a number of experts on the photo, which is dated Aug. 2, 1880. A forensic video expert in Los Angeles used facial recognition software on the image, which indicated that Garrett and Billy the Kid were both in the picture. A handwriting expert also compared a Garrett signature on the image to other documents known to have been signed by him and confirmed that it was the same person.
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    Henry McCarty, a.k.a. Billy the Kid, is pictured in this undated photograph obtained by Reuters (Reuters)
    Abrams thinks that set of pictures once belonged to Pat Garrett’s friend Marshall Ashmun Upson, better known as Ash Upson. The journalist and author was the ghostwriter of Garrett’s book “The Authentic Life of Billy the Kid.”
    Another photo, for example, shows Upson on a horse - “ASH” is written on the back of the photo in handwriting identified as Garrett’s. A third photo shows Upson’s niece Florence Muzzy.
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    There are very few images of Billy the Kid in existence. The photo of Billy playing croquet, for example, was appraised and insured for $5 million.
    A portrait of Billy the Kid taken in Fort Sumner, in 1880, sold for $2.3 million in 2011. In that photo, Billy the Kid is packing a Colt revolver and 1873 Winchester Carbine rifle.
    Abrams thinks that his group photo shows Billy, Garrett and their companions enjoying themselves. “They are all celebrating – they have cigars, they have booze,” he said.
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    Intriguingly, Abrams notes that a price tag is also visible on Billy’s the Kid’s sweater. “It may be that Billy is saying ‘there’s a price on my head, so here’s a price on my sweater’,” he said.
    Abrams told Fox News that the picture is now stored in a safe deposit box.
    “I have never put a price on it, others can speculate from here to kingdom come,” he said. “Whether it will be sold in the future will be a decision we will make when the right time comes around."
     
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  3. Chinatown

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    I used to buy boxes of those old photographs at garage sales and flea markets. They all disappeared during a household goods move years ago. Didn't realize they were gone for several months. When you have years of junk packed in boxes it's easy to miss something.
     
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    I once saw an interview with the photographer that had the photo of Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton in the Rose Garden during a press meeting. Of the dozens of photographers there,he was the only one with the shot. He showed another photo taken at the same time that showed him and everyone else taking the same photos.

    He pointed out that he was the only one still using film. The others were using the early digital cameras. They had limited memory so the other photographers were having to dump the photos that didn't stand out. Since he used film,he was stuck with what he took. When the administration denied that the two were ever in close contact,he was able to go through his photos and prove that they were.
     
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    That photo is the original if its worth that much.Can u imagine what the flea market is thinking if they got word of this.
     
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    I have the same exact picture stored on my phone, that has to be worth even more since phones weren’t invented back then.
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    The phone was invented in 1876. Billy the Kid was killed in 1881.
     
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    My grandparents used to talk about him. They were alive when he was roaming around. They said he loved Mexican women.
     
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    The early digitals were really something, we did not know they were so crappy. Until we tried video. Set us back decades versus tape. Our first digital had a resolution of about maybe 640 by 230 or something lines. I was still shooting with a Pentax 1000 film 35mm, and 200 mm lens tele or a 50mm which was very good if not perfect.

    I recall the Monica situation from the first press conference or situation in which they hugged, I knew then and there something is wrong with those two. Right there.

    As far as photos from that time period, there was a documentary not long ago which they believe they still had blood from the Jesse James but the 130 years have passed, enough to degrade the mitricardial DNA strands beyond what our current machines can extract in any useable code.

    The Kid I think is still interred at Fort Sumner.
     
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    Who would’ve thought those gunslingers like to wear rouge and makeup during their weekends in San Francisco.
     
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    And speak in long winded terms with excessively flowered up English I think. I am a student of the civil war among other things and some of the correspondence and orders are filled with what most people today consider excess words.

    I would hate to have to have a conversation with a 1800's person. It will try my patience.
     
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