Fact or fiction.... Not turning off A/C before ignition is bad......

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  1. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    I've heard that not turning the A/C off before turning off the ignition is bad on the compressor. Is this true or false?

    Out of all the vehicles I have ever owned, I have never done this "supposed" requirement and the only A/C problems I have ever had are, to my knowledge, caused from other issues.

    My car, because I once overfilled it while topping it off with refrigerant and had to bleed some of it off, and my pickup because, due to it sitting for so long and not being driven while we were out doing the OTR thing, the refrigerant must've leaded out somehow (like tires will do when the vehicle sits for long periods of time) and since it is being driven every day again, we haven't had any issues with it. It still has the same amount of refrigerant that I put in it over two months ago.

    Just curious what everybody has to say on this and if there's any documentation or proof that supports this practice, thanks.
     
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  3. beltrans

    beltrans Medium Load Member

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    Just a fiction for sure.
     
  4. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    I've heard of people getting in the habit of turning the AC off before their next startup so the AC compressor won't be adding load on the starter when cranking. I think sometimes stories get a little misconstrued along the way into a totally different meaning.
     
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  5. paul 1052

    paul 1052 Heavy Load Member

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    My compressor is over 5 years old and I've never shut it off first... I can see it as total fiction.

    Having bragged... I can see it going out next week.
     
  6. bighaulc-15

    bighaulc-15 Light Load Member

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    your a/c compressor does not come on untill you release the key on start up, the only thing your ignition is sending power to is your starter and your ignittion modual, everything else is dead untill you let get of the key. for example if you turn your key to run and roll your automatic windows down and as they are moving you try to start you car what happends? they stop rolling down until you let off the key! same princible
     
  7. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    I drive a company truck and have never shut mine off 1st. i dont think most people do at our company. If it was a huge problem they would design a safty to keep you from messing it up
     
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  8. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    One of the other things I was told that happens when you don't turn the A/C off prior to turning the ignition off is that the high pressure refrigerant gets trapped in the preasurization chamber in the compressor and has no where to go, and eventually finding its way out of seals and o rings. I figured if the stuff found a way out, then you have a leak and that you need to get it fixed.

    Maybe I'm wrong here or just don't know exactly how the air conditioning system works on a vehicle but what seems to me is, whether you turn the A/C off with the switch or turn it off by killing the power to every thing with the ignition switch, the same end result happens...... The clutch on the compressor disengages and the internal workings inside the compressor suddenly stop so, there will always be trapped pressure in there unless there is a way the pressure bleeds off while the motor is running and the compressor is disengaged from the serpentine belt so, I dunno.
     
  9. 25(2)+2

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    We were told by a mechanic at a previous employer that starting with the AC turned on was burning out the electric clutch on the compressor due to low voltage while starting. No one has mentioned it since, but we seem to have plenty of troubles with AC.

    I have mine set with the sleeper HVAC, it doesn't turn the AC on for at least 30 seconds after starting, long enough for the voltage to stabilize at 14 point something, it drops to the 11 range while cranking sometimes.
     
  10. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    That would, in a way make sense but like it was mentioned already, when you start the ignition, the switch, or something in the vehicle kills all the power to the accessories while cranking the engine and when the engine starts, power is restored to the electrical components that where shut off.

    It seems to me that on older vehicles with older technology is when following the complex list of do's and dont's really apply.

    Maybe newer technology takes out the human element and protects itself rather that relying on you to do it.
     
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    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Accessories have been cut off as long as I have been driving, over 40 years now. Watch the voltmeter after starting sometime, I have a digital readout on this Columbia, but it crawls up to operating range after the startup. This is checkingthe same electrical system feeding that electric clutch and low voltage does tend to be hard on things.

    AC is funny anyway, there are many things that can go wrong, from the wrong amount of refrigerant to mechanical issues stemming from anything, including electrical. The big thing now seems to be leaks, and even new trucks have leaking issues.

    The company I mentioned in my post was running non Red-top N-14s, and those tended to crank much longer when warmed up than they did on a cold(but not sub-freezing) start up.
     
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