Fading turbocharger boost

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Lepton1, Dec 23, 2016.

  1. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Yes, I'm resurrecting this thread I created, because of a recent puzzling development in my brother's truck with the CAT Acert 15 (2003 model year). Last month he put it in the shop to repair the radiator, went on vacation and came back. First thing he noticed was a dramatic lack of power, getting only 10 psi boost with intermittent spikes to 28 psi. The shop looked at the turbo and found that the bearing was worn badly (on a turbo that had less than 300,000 miles!). "#### it!", said my brother, "Order a turbo from Pittsburgh Power!"

    They installed the PP Turbo, a beautiful thing. Total turbo porn.

    Same problem.

    So the head mechanic got in the passenger seat and hooked up his computer, while my brother took it for a test drive. Lo and behold the computer showed zero boost at any time, even if the boost gauge showed 10 psi and occasional spikes. They got back to the shop and immediately looked at the boost sensor. It was cracked in two, allowing connection when he hit a bump. The shop decided that one of their mechanics must have stepped on it during work on the radiator. After replacing the sensor he took it for a test drive and was amazed at the immediate power on throttle, nothing at all like the OEM turbo.

    That broken sensor never allowed the ECM to detect the need for more fuel. He might have fixed the issue with the sensor only, but has no regrets putting in that new turbo.
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  3. Studebaker Hawk

    Studebaker Hawk Road Train Member

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    I had a pressure sensor in the intake manifold go bad on my 2000 Series 60 which is what triggers the ECM to provide more fuel. Bad sensor, no fuel, no boost.
    My mistake was letting Stewart and Stevenson talk me into taking a perfectly good turbo off and replace it with a reman, which blew to pieces about 300,000 miles later.
    No more remans. Brand new only.
     
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  4. jbob1

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    On my 12.7 series 60 I noticed my pyro temps getting higher on hard pulls, not anything drastic but 950* instead of 900*, then I started to see drop in boost, then started hearing a slight whistle, found a small hole in the boot between turbo and cac this was all with in a couple of hundred miles, but first sign of the leak was pyro temp increase for my case
     
  5. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    This is my number one complaint with shops.

    Throw a $1,000 at it, then diagnose the real problem.
     
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  6. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Yep, I am going to look for a connection with the output and software for my computer to get codes off my Cummins. Another forum member noted that Cummins software is openly available. I want to be well informed and let the shop know what to do before they do it.

    Nothing sucks more than throwing thousands of dollars at $10 problem.

    By the way, my brother hauled close to 80K this morning. That Pittsburgh Power turbocharger responded immediately to any throttle input. No delays. Power on demand. I'm thinking about putting in a PP Turbo myself.
     
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  7. shogun

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    Those aftermarket harnesses trick the stock ecm and help give instant boost. We put one on a friend’s BXS Acert and it trick the computer to thinking it had 8 psi all the time so there was no lag when you hit the throttle. Also would smoke like a B model if you romped on it. Ten cent part when you spliced the new resistor in.

    On a related note, we put the fuel pressure sensor harness on my dad’s 2007 cm870 isx. He has noticed a difference, both fuel mileage and power.
     
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  8. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I am thinking altitude.

    If you ran say I-70 into the Eisenhower tunnel above 11,000 feet your boost might be different than at sea level. Follow me?

    I need to think on your next answer regarding terrain where you experienced this lost boost and situation in altitude, temperature, weather and so on.
     
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  9. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    I just had my turbo sensor replaced. The sensor was $250.
     
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