Failed in TN. Need to get CDL. What are my options?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Stephendipity, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    Until you made this statement, I was thinking that it wasn't really your fault and there is a possibility that you got an idiot for an examiner but I think that you need to look at yourself first and forget the idea that they are out to get you. IF you screwed up, then you screwed up and took for granted that you passed one part of the exam so you can relax on it then got dinged for it later.

    Not everyone is meant to be a truck driver.
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  3. Stephendipity

    Stephendipity Bobtail Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    Memphis, TN
    Believe me, I DID blame myself for failing the FIRST TIME - I DID miss a few 'keywords'. But apparently you didn't read the whole post - there is convincing evidence of the 'policy' thing, and that it's not 'just me' they are 'out to get'. And I KNOW this examiner docked me on enough made-up stuff to make sure I would fail. So I amend that to only taking '1/2 the blame'. Although I'm convinced that he would have done whatever he had to do to fail me, no matter how well I did.

    The second time, I studied the TN CDL Manual - even copied down Chap's 11-13 with keywords noted, and memorized it. The test was with the same examiner, and he didn't even give me a chance - had to fail me on the Air Brakes Test (which I had 'aced' before), so all it took was ONE WORD (his word against mine) to get me out of there. Note that at that point I had not passed any part of the exam, so I certainly didn't 'relax'. This one, I do NOT take the blame for.

    - This examiner SAID he didn't like Knight, because they 'don't teach the TN, Federally approved, DOT approved CDL Manual!' He SAID he liked Swift students even less.
    - It takes 3 weeks to get an appointment in either of two Memphis area locations. That means they're ALWAYS booked for 90 tests in advance. All of these CANNOT be taking the test the first time. In other nearby states, it takes 0-3 days! And Squire students have come back from those states with a CDL the FIRST TIME; I have not heard of ONE PERSON (Squire or anybody) that has gotten a CDL from the Memphis area DOS (only 1 I know of in the area went to 3rd party school and passed their test).
    - Squire had the same problem the other (closer) testing station, and stopping taking students there. Squire ADMITTED that they had not had one student pass in TN in recent memory. And THEY WERE AWARE OF THIS when they sent me there, instead of to a 3rd Party Tester. Before I brought one, they did not even have a copy of the TN CDL Manual. So it may not be just 'that idiot examiner'. Squire is just now negotiating with TN DOS to find out what it would take to pass their students - but it's too late for me.

    My third try was with a 3rd party, and I PASSED THE PRE-TRIP. I got 100% on straight-line and offset backing, and YES, I screwed up on the 90-degree alley dock. But that was really my FIRST REAL CHANCE, and I had 1/2 day to prepare after being out of the truck for over 3 weeks (Squire stopped paying me for training after the 2nd try, so I had to work. Then I got 2 business days' notice b4 the appt.) Still my fault.

    Since Squire drops students on the 3rd failure, as a matter of policy (and $), regardless of whose fault it was, I don't get another chance.

    I CAN drive, and I CAN pass this test! All I need is a truck and a few days to practice. (And income to survive until then). Maybe I'm not 'meant to be a truck driver', but I'm not quite ready to throw in the towel yet.
  4. quitter

    quitter Light Load Member

    Jan 30, 2012
    San Juan Capistrano, ca
    Well that is a sad statement, of course you are meant to do this if it is what you want to do. (unless you are some kind of alcoholic druggie with medical problems or something.)

    The brake test and the pre-trip at my school was nearly 100% passed -- in fact that had a script written -- all you really had to do was memorize it --- to me it was like getting a part in a high school play or something, and in the process of learning the "script" you would actually learn how and why you needed to do those things. The school also had a mean guy (more play acting, he really was not a mean guy but no one really knew it at the time) that you had to do the trial pretrip air-brake test. If you could pass that guy, the DMV guy seemed like a picnic. I would describe the driving part as kind of fun --- my school used a truck with a short trailer and a syncro transmission. So piece of cake the DMV -- maybe your school did not do the things needed to make you pass the test --- but I bet if you really want it you can do it so do not give up.
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  5. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

    Dec 18, 2011
    I did read the entire thing and when you said this, I stopped and read it all again. I don't get how you can consider this when people pass the exam or otherwise no one would get a CDL in that part of Tennessee.

    Right there, you aced it before - SO WHAT. if you had this problem then I would have asked for his supervisor's name or contacted the state as soon as I was done with the test for something independent.

    So, take note, tell him you are not here for long, just wanted to get through it.

    Federally approved?

    These are not approved by the feds, they are approved by the state.

    AND I have to agree with him, many of these places don't teach the manual as it should be, my disagreement with many who take short cuts to getting a CDL and then can't function on the road.

    Then take the test somewhere else. You have Mississippi south of you and Arkansas west of you.

    Again it is you who needs to complain about this, bring it to the attention to the state and see where it leads.

    OK if they are aware of the issue, then you have legal recourse to settle this in order to get tested. I don't know how anyone would negotiate with the state to get their students to pass an exam, that seems to be a bit unethical, more than the idiot examiner issue.

    OK I see that, but ...

    Again if you know they knew about the failure of their students, then you have legal recourse to get retested, they misrepresented the training. Another issue for the state by the way.

    I don't know why you would need a few days practice, it takes a little time to sharpen those new skills enough to pass the test.
  6. CrappieJunkie

    CrappieJunkie Wishin' I was fishin'

    Mar 9, 2014
    In a van down by the River.
    Dude. You failed. Blame Knight all you want but the two things you said, the temp for water or oil and the air pressure for the breaks are two of the most critical parts of any pretrip. If you didn't mention the numbers or got them wrong I'd of failed you too. Harsh??? Maybe but that is way it is.

    Now my story. I went to company sponsored training. Despite shotymes disgust I failed all 5 times in Indiana. Went home to Ohio. Found a private school. Was considered low income. Got county to pay for it thru u/e office. Failed again in Ohio. Passed next time. That's right passed on the 7th time. Blamed myself all 6 times.

    Stop blaming yourself. Contact unemployment office let them pay for it. Pick company u want. Good luck.
  7. HotH2o

    HotH2o Road Train Member

    Sep 23, 2012
    Bunyan Springs, Colorado
    Test in a different state. In California if you pass pretrip and fail the rest you do not have to do the pretrip when you retest. Same with any of the other tests.
  8. Jran11

    Jran11 Light Load Member

    Mar 30, 2014
    Mccamey, TX
    You can take testmat roadmaster in west memphis ar for a fee of $300 and use their trucks and they are 3 rd party testing site. Don't have to be a resident of Arkansas
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  9. Lux Prometheus

    Lux Prometheus Heavy Load Member

    Oct 28, 2013
    San Venganza, Tx
    Come to Texas, go take the test in Waxahachie, and pass with flying colors. I'm in school now, take my test on Wednesday, and it's not a difficult test. You won't even have to to a dock, just straight-line back, parallel-park, and the road test (simple), and yer done.
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  10. tow614

    tow614 Road Train Member

    Mar 18, 2013
    My wife and i went to covenants cdl school in chatanooga in 2002 which was really harold ives school since covenant had just bought them. The tennessee dmv in chattanooga wasnt passing any of their students then so they didnt even take us there. They took us all to arkansas and used the terminal address as a residence for all of us. We took the test in littlerock and passed first time. I waited a month and transfered it back to tennessee and all is history.
  11. Pumpkin Oval Head

    Pumpkin Oval Head Road Train Member

    Jun 24, 2010
    Scranton PA
    Tennessee was recently ranked as the state with the 3rd most corruption in the state compared with the rest of the states. This does not surprise me. Tennessee has a tendency to do things their way rather the way the federal law specifies. Most likely a federal DOT agent became involved in Chattanooga at some point.

    It does no good to complain to the state about these sort of issues, you have to complain to the federal authorities to get anything changed.

    But I like how your company went to Arkansas to get the job done....that is also a good alternative. I live about 12 miles from the Kentucky border, so if I have a problem in TN it is not too far to go Kentucky to get treated right.
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