Flatbed or Hopper - thoughts welcomed

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by mccark, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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    Hey everyone,
    I ran flatbed for 5 years including rgn, and a hopper bottom for 6 months which was a memorable experience. I'm having a tough time making the decision, can't quite get off the dime. Which trailer to get?
    Maybe rent each for a few months? Heck, maybe split the year up with both? Looking at the prices of ownership and depreciation versus rent / write off, either are comparable minus startup costs for chains-binders/straps/tarps/headboard on the skateboard. My authority: US, ON, QC, registered in the other provinces. No California. Based in St Louis.

    This is one of those forks in the road,,, this time I'll ask for help. Rates seem 10-25% to flats, but how's the quality of life folks are experiencing?

    Thanks in advance.

    mccark
     
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  3. White Dog

    White Dog Road Train Member

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    Well,,,,based in St. Louis, you are definitely in hopper territory if you want the home time. But you already said you've pulled one before so you know to be prepared to sit in line. And sit in line. And sit in line.
    And you also know you get paid by weight (or bushel)...so enjoy running at 79,999 lbs. loaded on 1/8th. of a tank of fuel (you don't get paid to haul fuel at 8 lbs. per gallon).
    And don't forget to sweep out, wash out, clean out, and spit shine the inside of that trailer from load to load...a lot of "rejection" in hopper operations if you haul all different kinds of product.
    I paint a beautiful picture huh? Hopper sucks.

    Flatbed would be my choice hands down.
     
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  4. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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    Thanks White Dog I think that answers it.
     
  5. Ougigoug

    Ougigoug Heavy Load Member

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    I would go flat bed too just because of opportunities that would be available to you.
     
  6. Prom Night Dumpster Baby

    Prom Night Dumpster Baby Medium Load Member

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    It's hopper season now or soon and regular freight is slow now.
     
  7. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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    I started the CVOR for ON & QC, but asked the lady to stop.... think I'll call her back and restart the process.
    Thanks for your reply,

    avoir un grand jour, vous voir bientôt
     
  8. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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    Thanks PNDB, it's probably smartest to keep doing what I know and watch closely on the hopper side. I know a guy who runs a couple loads a week on the side for his buddy, central IL. Keep an ear to the ground, see how it goes.
     
  9. blessedman

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    Check out Bulkloads web site forum. According to the post there the hopper rates are bad. I tried it a few years back. It was NOT good. Traded the hopper in on a flatbed. A lot better doing flatbed. The big difference was I had a lot more flatbed freight available than hopper.

    I just recently had to go to a pulling a van due to health reasons. Not near as good as flat but still a lot better than hopper.
     
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  10. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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  11. mccark

    mccark Light Load Member

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    Hey all,
    Since the last post, the MC came in, Canadian CVOR is in flight, have the truck, and today the trailer - a 2012 Wilson hopper and will load out Monday.

    Purchased a 2010 Freightliner Columbia, DD15@560, 13spd, 355 with 22.5, 671K, and no skirts. Clean truck. Good warranty and I'm satisfied, it was 1800 less than the dealership, 2yr/200K everything. I put that new Rand McNally 760 fleet GPS in it with weather overlay. Haven't decided if I'm going to use the electronic log, that will depend on if the lower paid plan logs speeding violations, I know the middle plan offers that for those who have dispatch. More on that, since I have mixed feelings,, kind of like letting a vampire in... you know? I'll probably do the electronic log for a month, can always print them and keep them stapled to the paper log book. I do like the idea of less paperwork. Using a Verizon jetpack hotspot to keep comm going, weather for gps, computer, email etc.

    During this journey the biggest annoyance was the catch-22 of having MC completed, having insurance, and having truck purchased, and then the time it takes the state to get their process done. I started everything as soon as I could and after the date of truck purchase, it took 12 days for the state to process title, get cab card, IFTA, and the plate to me. I have 92 cuss words in some fairly creative streams for all that ####.

    Back to the search, I spent a lot of time on road trips to go look at trucks, last minute plane tickets is crazy expensive. So I drove. Looked at 6 trucks & road trips, and they all fell through either by the lender, the quality of the truck during test drive, or the lipstick that the pig was wearing, or the lender changing their mind at the last minute.

    It's a sellers market, the trucks are going fast. Lots of what I saw in person were rode hard and put down wet. The favorite line of the sales guy was, 'well it's an older model'... to which I replied, "well it doesn't have an older model price"...another story.

    Had a sweet used Werner379EXHD Pete, 675K, for 69K got him down to 60K, and the lender came up with some heartburn. Even with 25% down. So at that point I was out of patience, running out of time, money, thoroughly PO'd and remembered this nice looking Columbia was for sale on the road back through Springfield, MO. The dealer did the dpf, DOT, and dropped the price to my ask. Always liked the Detroit so!!! Here we go.

    For you guys that gave me help online and off, hats off to you and thanks.

    Kevin
     
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